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[deMuralist]

So I started this protocol 1 week ago.

June 30, weight 261.4

I started in the afternoon with 1T of EVCO melted in about 2T of water, drank it holding my nose, then followed it with a liter of water.  I did this every day for 5 days.  The only change I noticed was a bit more energy.  Weight bounced around the same half pound.

July 5th, weight 262.2

I added a T of ELOO in the morning.  Just took it straight, no nose holding, and followed it with a liter of water.  I can't say that I feel really different.  I am not snacking as much, but in the 2 days I have done both the EVOC and ELOO, my calorie intake has actually gone up, from eating more.  The extra calories I get from the oils are replacing calories I am losing from dropping some of the HWC I used to use in my teas.   

However my weight has come down.

July 6 260.6
July 7 259.8

I will continue at this dosing of oils until I hit a stall. 

I track my food intake daily (at my fitness pal) as well as my daily weight.  To me it is information gathering. 

Stats:
Calories: 2115!
Carbs: 113 (had a bowl of icecream after dinner sprinkled with things)
Fat: 157
Protein: 78
Fiber: 24 Net Carbs: 89
Sugar:75

I will track my progress here.

I am a 53 year old woman.  I am 5'7" and my goal weight is around 160, but that is not set in stone, for right now I am just looking for a steady weight loss. 

In addition to SLD, I wear a fitbit, and am using the nightly meditation from Jon Gabirel's book, the daily meditation from Paul McKenna's book "I Can Make You Thin", and working to incorporate McKenna's 4 Golden Rules...

1. Eat only when physically hungry
2. Eat only what I truly want, not what I think I 'should' have
3. Eat slowly, mindfully, consciously
4. STOP when I am no longer hungry.

Chris

[shovelqueen]

Welcome, Chris.  This protocol goes really well in combination with other tools and plans, like what you are doing.  Good luck to you!

[deMuralist]

thanks!  for the first time in a long time I actually believe I can become a "naturally thin person", sooner rather than later. 

[deMuralist]

July 8th weight 260.0 that is up .2, but in my book that is really maintenance. 

Yesterday I had the ELOO with a liter of plain water in the morning and EVCO with a liter of water to which I added 1tsp of xylitol.  I kept me out of looking for sweets when everyone else in the family was scavenging while watching SNL.   But what I did not do well yesterday was to stop eating when I was no longer hungry (Rule #4), gotta work on that. 

For a very long time now I have had this loose theory that where calories count is when we eat more than we need.  Dah, but the thing that is different about my way of thinking is that the number we need is in constant flux, that cannot be predicted.  And that the only way to lose weight is to only eat when the body is physically hungry and to stop when it is no longer hungry.  It is when we try to get around this either by eating for other reasons besides physical hunger, or eating until I am stuffed.  Hunger signals have to have a purpose.  So I posit that I had a slight gain yesterday, even though my stats were relatively low, because they were still more than I needed yesterday. 

Stats:

Calories: 1529
Carbs: 41
Fat: 126
Protein: 64
Fiber: 8 Net Carbs: 33
Sugar:8


Today I will do the ELOO followed with the liter of water treated with a tsp of xylitol in the morning, and the EVCO with the same water mix in the afternoon.

This is definitely helping me mentally, which I have to admit I didn't think would happen. 

[deMuralist]

now, things are happening.

Yesterday I made the family their weekly homemade loaf of bread. Usually the whole time I am making it I am saying to myself "only 1 piece, only 1 piece" sort of like a mantra. Yesterday I didn't. I was making the bread as I was preparing for a friend to come over for a 'quilting bee', cleaning up the craft area, making a nice salad for lunch, quick bathroom checks, etc.  I was not totally focused on the bread. The bread came out of the oven. I let it cool and sliced it. This is usually when I eat the ends-I like them no body else does-but I didn't, didn't have to fight myself (no, you don't need that you can have a piece with lunch-that sort of conversation with myself). I just didn't eat it. No drama, no in-fighting, just didn't eat it. Then I had a very small part of the end piece with some Kerrygold, with my lunch, and that was it. No going back, no sneaking another piece, no thought of it at all.

During the witching hour, nothing, no looking for sweets, no perusing the pantry, nothing. The same for after dinner.

Something is definitely different. I am not having to use sheer will power to stay away from a food. Something is very definitely different!

Fantastic!

I am more optimistic, that using the flavorless windows will help me to get where I need to be.

STATS:

Calories: 1478
Carbs: 34
Fat: 128
Protein: 58
Fiber: 9 Net Carbs: 25
Sugar: 3


Result: 259.2 down .8

[deMuralist]

Current regimen... 1T ELOO around 10am chased by a liter of water with 1tsp xylitol and 1T EVCO (nose pinched) around 2pm chased by a liter of water with 1tsp of xylitol in it. 

Yesterday... I feel like I am doing extremely well. I have totally stopped eating anything between meals, for 2 reasons...first the 2 hour flavorless window sort of knocks out a lot of time, and second, just not hungry or interested in eating a snack...yeah!

During the witching hour, nothing, no looking for sweets, no perusing the pantry, nothing. The same for after dinner.
I am just not having to use sheer will power to stay away from food.

Now the bad news...even though I am eating less (though not a lot less calorically), I am still essentially in maintenance, unfortunately it is about 100 pounds too heavy.

I will admit that I have not stopped to do my afternoon nap/meditation, so that may have an effect on the scale.

My optimism is not as exuberant.

STATS:

Calories: 1406
Carbs: 57 (I had a flatout wrap and a cup of watermelon)
Fat: 107
Protein: 76
Fiber: 18 Net Carbs: 39
Sugar: 15


Result: 259.6 up .4

[deMuralist]

Lunch today was a smoothie...

2T HWC
1/3C coconut milk
1/3C water
1/2C frozen blueberries
1/2C frozen spinach
1 scoop Jay Robb Whey, chocolate
stevia
1/4tsp xylitol
1tsp cocoa powder
1tsp cinnamon
1/4tsp powdered chili
1/4tsp @ of the penzey heart spices

It was interesting, not unpleasant, odd how the mind tries to find familiar flavors at every sip, and just could not quite do it.

Very filling, and actually as time passes I seem to be getting fuller.

Tomorrow, I will change up the spice blends and add some flax meal. 

[deMuralist]

Yesterday...well, I would not call it a success. Through out the day I did very well, although I was not able to do my nap or meditation because I was away from the house. Then after dinner, and this is pretty rare for me, I usually do this pre dinner, I went looking for sweets. I made a cupcake in a mug (primal and pretty low carb), then had a 1/2 C of icecream with a tablespoon of chocolate chips.

I don't think my body wants to hover in the 1400 calorie range and when I hit that for a couple of days I seem to start to look for calories. I am going to keep a closer eye on this.

My optimism is waning, but my curiosity is peeked.

STATS:

Calories: 1955
Carbs: 86
Fat: 148
Protein: 68
Fiber: 22 Net Carbs: 64
Sugar: 45


Result: 259..2 down .4

My Golden Rules:

1. Eat only when physically hungry
2. Eat only what I really want
3. Eat slowly, mindfully, consciously
4. Stop when I am no longer hungry
5. shots of tasteless oil in the middle of 2 hour flavorless time window

Sleep yesterday:
overnight 5:11
meditation :00, not home during the day

Today I am going to get some MCT oil and use it instead of the coconut oil.  The coconut oil smell is hard to get away from and it is a pain to have to melt it.  I also added another T of olive in the morning shot.

[deMuralist]

My N=1 experiment. 1. Cut way back on dairy and nightshades and -obviously- grains 2. take a flavorless shot of calories in the form of MCT or Olive oil in the middle of a 2 hour flavorless time span twice a day with a tsp of xylitol in a liter of water 3. take a 1 hour nap or listen to meditation

Yesterday...well, I would not call it a success, but also not a total failure. Again, early in the day everything went well. Then the witching hour came, a tad later than usual. I ate...some greek yogurt, a few almonds, a small slice of leftover pasta pie, seaweed, a scoop of icecream, etc. But the not a total failure part...I had a small salad at dinner and that was it. I obviously was not hungry for dinner so I didn't eat it. That is a victory, because I normally eat it anyway since I made it.

I did do the meditation yesterday, but not until after the feeding frenzy. mmm

My optimism is waning, but my curiosity is peeked.

STATS: didn't keep up

Result: 260.2

My Golden Rules:

1. Eat only when physically hungry
2. Eat only what I really want
3. Eat slowly, mindfully, consciously
4. Stop when I am no longer hungry
5. shots of tasteless oil in the middle of 2 hour flavorless time window

Sleep yesterday:
overnight 5:43
meditation :28

I did end up using the MCT yesterday and understand that this will sort of start the clock over, no problem I have patience.  I also realized I have not been using enough ELOO and will increase that today.  Still take both of them followed by a liter of water with a tsp of xylitol in it.  I have had glimpses of this at work in the past week and feel sure that once full blown it will be a very successful addition to my weight loss. 

[Aleruda]

Hey deMuralist,
Thanks for sharing your journey with us. I have been bouncing around the forums for about a week (when I started taking ELOO), but it hasn't been until now that I've felt like writing or respond to anyone...I think a lot of the things I've been reading and re-reading are also from 2007-2008, so I've felt odd jumping in so after-the-fact. However, your experience is fairly similar to mine in that you seem to be interested in the primal way of eating, and you also seem to touch upon some things regarding disordered eating (mindfulness etc..though that's not to say that you are a disordered eater). I have been eating fairly primal for about a year but have long struggled with binge eating disorder (am currently getting certified to provide health counseling for both the psychological and physiological aspects of relationship to food), so the last 20lbs for me has been a long struggle. I am 5'2", 130 lbs.

ANYWAYS, I wanted to ask you: have you heard the bulletproofexec.com? I'm sure you have, but if not I think it's a place you'd like to check out. It's "Upgraded Paleo" (as he puts it) and looks at a lot of biohacking things (I noticed you track your sleep...).

I look forward to keeping up with your updates. Thanks for sharing them!

[shovelqueen]

I've been primal more or less for the last few years, too, and have recently discovered bulletproof coffee as a breakfast alternative.  I haven't spent much time around the site yet to check out his other bio-hacks.  I've also done a Whole30 a couple of times.  http://whole9life.com/2012/01/whole-30-v2012/

All of these approaches work really well with the SLD. 

[Aleruda]

Hey shovelqueen, that's great that you do BP coffee!

I've been doing 2T ELOO then BP coffee for breakfast (2T kerrygold) and that usually holds me over until around 12pm. Due to my struggles with binge eating, I have not found that it's incredibly easy to fulfill a Whole30, but maybe with this AS it will be possible.

I am excited to see if I get some good progress with this way of eating and this AS.

I'm also curious to see if I could start with xylitol, but I'll wait a few weeks for that. I am impatiently trying to learn patience (ironically).

[deMuralist]

My N=1 experiment. 1. Cut way back on dairy and nightshades and -obviously- grains and sugar 2. take a flavorless shot of calories in the form of MCT or Extra Light Olive oil chased by a tsp of xylitol in a liter of water in the middle of a 2 hour flavorless time span twice a day 3. take a 1 hour nap or listen to meditation

Yesterday...well, I ate too much. At dinner, I guess I ate too fast, didn't realize I was full until well after I was finished, then I was stuffed. Unfortunately that did keep me out of the ice cream, However I did have only 1/2C. This is amazing, as I have always thought that the 1/2C serving size was a joke. So while I am not all the way there, things are definitely improving.

I didn't get to do the meditation yesterday, had to get the AC fixed in my car by the time I got home DH walked in behind me. the problem with trying to do the meditation when he is home is that his footsteps are clompers and I can't relax when he is stomping around the house.

My optimism is picking back up, my curiosity is still peeked.

STATS:
Calories: 1931
Carbs: 76
Fat: 148
Protein: 109
Fiber: 15 Net Carbs: 61
Sugar: 42

Result: 259.2

My Golden Rules:

1. Eat only when physically hungry
2. Eat only what I really want
3. Eat slowly, mindfully, consciously
4. Stop when I am no longer hungry
5. shots of tasteless oil in the middle of 2 hour flavorless time window

Sleep yesterday:
overnight 4:23
meditation :00

[deMuralist]

Yeah!!! there is someone else out there!

August will be 1 year since I started Primal.  In the beginning I was very compliant.  I had moved over from Atkins, on which I had lost 22 pounds and then stalled.  I went over to Primal because of the creepiness of the whole fake food thing. 

So I started this part of the journey Last spring at 289.8.  Started Primal at 267.  Then somewhere after a few months of staying at pretty much 267, I added in a program called SPEED.  That slowly brought me down to 251, then this May it started to creep back up to where I am hovering now between 259 and 261 for 8 weeks. 

It has been a year of ridiculously slow progress. 

I have done the bulletproof coffee (16oz coffee, 1T EVCO and 1TKerrygold with a shot of stevia) for stretches and it has made no difference, so now I just do coffee with HWC as the bulletproof was just too much work first thing in the morning.  I also drink a glass of iced double green matcha tea in the morning with a bit of stevia. 

I do the ELOO mid morning at work, then follow with the xylitol water.  I went ahead and started the xylitol because of its apparent benefits for osteopenea (which has to do with absorption because of IBD) and asthma (which they say I have but I have never had any symptoms of).

I just switched to the MCT, (again for it's apparent health benefits vs. other oils) I am thinking it may take a while for the AS to kick in.

I am also wondering if at night when I want a little something sweet I could mix EVCO with unsweetened cocoa powder and a touch of stevia or other sweetener and get what appears to be called around the forums "platinum calories".  The question about this is that I drink a lot of tea and I am thinking that I would have to keep the 2 hour window free of teas as well as the other flavored calories.  Or if because it occurs at the end of the day (at least an hour after dinner) I could just enjoy the snack and the tea at my leisure.  well except for the tooth brushing flavor. 

Sorry, sort of rambling, but now that I have people answering I am hoping for feedback on this. 

[Aleruda]

Hey deMuralist,

Wow, you've had quite the journey...thank you for the background information and for continuing to share.

Since I haven't had a ton of experience with the ELOO and timing (I only do 2T first thing in the AM), I can't speak to your evening tea and snack. I would be inclined to say, however, that it would be wise to completely keep the 2 hour window in any case since it has to do with flavor. That's just my guess...and I am still unsure if that's what you're asking.

Never apologize for rambling. That's why we're here.

I think after a couple of weeks on ELOO I am going to switch to xylitol and see how that feels. I am interested in keeping this process fairly bulletproof / primal, and now that I have no urge to binge it's been fairly easy.

I am also trying to make sure I don't obsess over any approach I take, since I know stress is something that stalls my progress all the time. The more I worry, the less I'll lose.

Ok, now I'm rambling