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CleverLazyBoy

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It's Just an Experiment
« on: November 21, 2010, 12:19:20 pm »

Hi All,

I've poked around this forum before and even tried SLD and had a decent AS but still over-ate.  I just felt really stuffed instead of very full.   I quite too soon because I guess I just didn't believe it could work.  The one thing I didn't account for was how much I ate for reasons other than satisfying hunger.

This time I'm going to give it a different mindset.  First, I'm going to eat a normal 3 meals of whatever I want - I tend to be a meat and potatoes guy. However, I will only eat until I'm full.  I think this awareness is important, plus I don't like feeling stuffed after meals (negative re-enforcement does work.)

Second, I'm going to treat this like an experiment.  Adjust as per the results (lbs lost, gained, or even).  Not be so worried about NOT getting results, but simply adjust the parameters as needed.

Third, I'm hoping the second point will bring some fun to the process.

I love sugar, so I'm going with the SW method.  Initially when I tried this, I became extremely hungry after and had a big old binge on burgers.  This time I'm switching it up by drinking the SW more slowly and adding a flavorless fiber to slow down digestion. I'll probably due this 2-4 times a day.

So, my first method will be doses of sugar water over the course of the day starting 1 hr after breakfast and continuing between meals.

16 oz of warm water
2 tbsp white sugar
2 tbsp inulin (fiber)

We'll see how this works.

Glad to meet you all.
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Re: It's Just an Experiment
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2010, 12:45:22 pm »

You ARE clever!  The inulin with the sugar is a brilliant idea.  Let us know how it works.

Welcome aboard!
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Re: It's Just an Experiment
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2010, 05:37:20 am »

This is a pretty interesting idea!  Do keep us posted!
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Re: It's Just an Experiment
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2010, 09:51:42 am »

I can't take credit for the inulin, there was a post about it on Seth's blog from this forum.

I've dropped the dose to 2 teaspoons instead of tablespoons.  Found out quick that too much fiber can give you some bad gas -- should've guessed that one.  :oops:
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Re: It's Just an Experiment
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2010, 10:23:26 am »

Here is where I found the inulin idea: http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?topic=5804.0

This is day 4 on the SW.  I have lot's of AS but my brain doesn't know what to make of it.  I feel full, but still want to eat "delicious" food!?!  Also, I've gained 1 lb - definitely water retention from the sugar.  My regular food consumption is slowly moving downward.

I'm realizing that this diet is essentially a bland diet.  It seems to me that if you fill up on "filler" foods that your body doesn't seem to want to over-eat and drops your appetite.  I remember a study referenced in one of Clarence Bass's books about how university students were asked to eat 2-4 pieces of bread before their regular meals -- they ended up losing weight.  I'm wondering if you ate 2x body weight in calories of a bland food such as bread, oatmeal, rice, chicken breast without added flavor if AS would occur.  Experiment for the future?

Anywho.....I've had to drop the inulin because of bloat/gas.  Today I'm trying the SW in cold water instead of warm without inulin to see if this helps reduce bloating.  If it doesn't, I'll be switching to oil, or trying a bland diet.  The funny thing is that I can drink a litre of soda without bloating.

Here my SLD with SW pros and cons list so far:

PROS                                           CONS
Taste good to me.                         Bloating
Curbs Junk Food Cravings              Makes me hyper
400 cals = lots of AS
Mood Improvement
Gives me energy

If anyone's reading this, let me know if you've done any strange food experiments of your own (aside from the standard SLD of course).
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Re: It's Just an Experiment
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2010, 01:03:59 pm »

I used inulin (Fibersure) as part of my FFC (flavor free calories) experiment.  I gradually built up the amount, but generally not more than a heaping teaspoon (standard serving). I also tried a FiberSure dose 30-60 minutes before dinner, to see if it helped me recognize when I was full.  And also tried it with oatmeal to see if I could lower my glucose response using fiber instead of protein.  I didn't like the texture, even though it's not gritty or gelatinous like psyllium.  Flaxseed is a much nicer way to add fiber, IMO.  Inulin doesn't have the colon health benefits of psylliium, so I didn't experiment with it much.  And anyway, protein worked better for me to control glucose response.

I think fructose has a distinct flavor, as does inulin.  Maybe that's why it didn't seem to be useful for AS.  I also tried noseclipping unseasoned chicken breasts as FFC, and I can't say that experiment was successful, either, although FFC did help with satiety, and short term AS.  SLD oil (when it worked) gave me much better (and longer) AS. 

Since Feb I have been doing well with Platinum Calories, it gives me reasonable AS without many calories.  I'm happy with what I get.  Hope your experiments go well for you!
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Re: It's Just an Experiment
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2010, 05:54:23 pm »

Great info.  I've been curious about the Platinum Calories myself.  It kind of reminds me of my "coffee cream" experiment, where I drank nothing but coffee cream during the day to see if it would reduce my appetite.  It did, but gave me indigestion as well.  And interesting enough, as soon as I had something sweet, the indigestion went away.

I did SW the rest of the day in cold water and no fiber.  No bloat this time, but made me reaaally hungry about 20 mins after I finished; a common occurrence I'v seen on this forum.   With all the variations of SLD, I may try a few other things.  I'm still eager to get the book -- HURRY UP AMAZON!
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Re: It's Just an Experiment
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2010, 01:06:57 pm »

So I wake up this morning, and I'm 1.5 lbs lighter than my starting weight - lol.  AND my calories where not  significantly cut in anyway - I actually had a big bowl of ice cream before bed.  Strange.

I saw a posting about buttered tea on Seth's blog.  One of the comments mentioned they liked buttered coffee better.  I'm thinking a buttered latte would be delicious.   I'm gonna give it a try.
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Re: It's Just an Experiment
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2010, 07:31:11 am »

Finally received my copy of SLD from Amazon today.  I gotta say, their delivery for books is awesome, I always receive my orders prior to the predicted date.

I read the first few chapters and one idea registered with me that I hadn't thoroughly thought of before.  SDL works because it lessens your consumption of food for future meals.  The effects of consuming zero'ish taste calories are cumulative over time.  I notice this effect happening - but didn't tie it together.  I thought consuming oil would suppress my immediate appetite (it may for others, but not me) which lessened the consumption of food at the next meal.  Now I believe that consuming oil when I may not be hungry, at a regular time, is a better option, and will give me AS for subsequent future meals. 

BTW: buttered tea is interesting.  It also gave me a strong AS.  I believe this may be because the taste is very mild/bland.  I made it with 2/3 cup black tea, 1/3 cup half and half, and 1 1/2 tbsp of salted butter.

BTW part 2: this forum is massive.  There is an answer to almost every question I can think of somewhere on the site.  I'm guessing that's why it's posting activity seems to have slowed down -- it's all be said.  :?
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Re: It's Just an Experiment
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2010, 09:25:02 pm »

A belated welcome CleverLazyBoy  :D

Thank you for this post and your observation about the future meal effect - it's switched on a light for me  8)

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Re: It's Just an Experiment
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2010, 11:16:14 pm »

When it comes to taking fiber and gas/bloating, I found that as my body becomes more accustomed to the fiber, there's less. I hope the same is true for you.

One thing that helps me with AS-- so I need to restart the habit!-- is consuming a shot of vinegar in some water (a little sweetener may be added, if needed, to improve the flavor) immediately before consuming a meal. It's been shown to improve insulin sensitivity.
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Re: It's Just an Experiment
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2010, 01:35:35 pm »

One thing that helps me with AS-- so I need to restart the habit!-- is consuming a shot of vinegar in some water (a little sweetener may be added, if needed, to improve the flavor) immediately before consuming a meal. It's been shown to improve insulin sensitivity.

A shot of vinegar - interesting, and tart!  I might give that a try.  I do eat a lot of olive oil and balsamic vinegar based salad dressings.

I've been experimenting with a few foods for AS.  I tried 7up as it seem to digest more slowly than sugar; however, I was consuming too many calories in order to get a decent AS, plus I still had the same after effects as the sugar.

I switch to refined walnut oil. Originally I was using ELOO, but it didn't digest well at all.  Walnut oil seems to work well and tastes about the same to me. 

For nutritional purposes, I've tried adding various flavorless/bland protein sources with my oil including: un-flavored whey, hemp, liquid egg whites.  Whey and hemp are just too disgusting for me to stomach.  Egg whites are tasteless; however, you need to drink at least 1/2 a cup to get 14 grams of protein.  None of these seemed to help with AS.

At the moment I'm doing a double shot (2 tbsp) of walnut oil first thing in the morning and another in the afternoon prior to dinner. This suppresses my appetite really well.  In fact I'm going to see if I can get away with 1.5 tbsp instead.

This method definitely makes it easier to eat less junk food.  And because I'm eating less, I'm trying focus on good nutrition.  The tweaking is fun.  After reading the book and understanding the theory, it's easy to come up little experiments on what may and may not work for AS.

3 lbs down and counting.
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Re: It's Just an Experiment
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2010, 02:51:18 pm »

One thing that helps me with AS-- so I need to restart the habit!-- is consuming a shot of vinegar in some water (a little sweetener may be added, if needed, to improve the flavor) immediately before consuming a meal. It's been shown to improve insulin sensitivity.
A shot of vinegar - interesting, and tart!
I strongly recommend the water. I once shot the vinegar without the water and it burned:D

Here are some links regarding the insulin sensitivity effect:
"How Vinegar Affects Digestion" (How Stuff Works)
"Vinegar Improves Insulin Sensitivity to a High-Carbohydrate Meal in Subjects With Insulin Resistance or Type 2 Diabetes" (American Diabetes Assoc's Diabetes Care)
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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2010, 11:34:39 pm »

Good progress, CleverLazyBoy  8)

And thanks for the link toadkid, it's interesting and helpful  :D
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