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bearh8r

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Total failure so far
« on: September 04, 2010, 01:30:07 pm »

I am a 54 year old male who has struggled with weight all my life.  When I graduated from high school, I was 6'3" and weighed 240 lbs.  I thought I was over weight at that point, but I would give anything to be at that weight now.  Today, I am 385 lbs, having gained 60 pounds shortly after high school, and then a few pounds every year thereafter.  If I could get my weight down to 300, that would be wonderful.  I am still reasonably active, playing golf in the summer (typically walking) and racquetball in the winter, but my knees are starting to begin to ache due to years of carrying too many lbs.

Several weeks ago, I embarked on the Sharngri-La program.  I know that I needed to get my set-point lowered, and this sounded like one way to do it.  I followed the program to a tee (two hour "taste-free" dosing periods, etc.).  At the beginning, I took 2 tablespoons of ELOO mid-morning and 2 more just before going to bed.  I had read about the need to be patient, so I followed the program religiously for three weeks.  In the beginning, I felt the onset of diminished appetite; not as radical as some people reported, but diminished nonetheless.

After a week or so, I read that the timing of the ELOO dosing was not that important, so I began taking the entire 4 tablespoons at one time.  My appetite appeared to return pretty much to normal, so I went back to the twice a day routine, but that didn't seem to matter.  At this point, when lunch time arrives, I am famished.  Same thing when I get home for dinner.  Other than for a three day period of time, I have stuck to the Shangri-La routine as described in the book.

The result - - no appreciable weight loss to speak of, and no real appetite suppression.

What can I do to make this work?  I don't want to give up on it, but it feels like I have purchased snake oil instead of olive oil.

On a related note, I go on occasional business trips.  Getting more than 3 ounces of liquid through security isn't going to happen.  How do other business travelers deal with this challenge?
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Re: Total failure so far
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2010, 02:53:08 pm »

Hi, bearh8r,

Sorry it hasn't been going smoothly for you.  I'll just throw out a few things...

It is extra light olive oil you're taking, not regular or virgin olive oil, right?  I ask because some posters having problems reported they were taking ELOO, but it turned out otherwise. 

Can you taste it?  My Costco ELOO was too "good" sometimes.  If you can taste it, you may need to try a different brand, or another oil.  You could noseclip, but a bunch of us tried EVOO noseclipped and lost AS within a couple weeks.  Noseclipping is not necessarily a fix with olive oil.

Many people have done well on a single dose each day, but I think AS was better in two doses.

Make sure you are getting enough water, and enough protein at each meal.  Both can show up as carb cravings or hunger.

If you were you dieting right before you started SLD, it could take longer for your setpoint to drop. 

Usually oil works so well for guys.  But if it isn't working, there are other things to try, and it's worth looking for alternatives, because this method is painless and sustainable. I'm doing platinum calories.  When it worked, ELOO gave me better AS, but platinum calories it is still a  great way to lose weight. 
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Re: Total failure so far
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2010, 06:45:40 pm »

Perhaps even changing oil itself would help you, instead of ELOO use Canola Oil or refined coconut oil.  I found that ELOO ony worked because it made me so sick to my stomach that I couldn't eat.  Canola, on the other hand, works like a charm.

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Re: Total failure so far
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2010, 03:45:45 am »

I agree with Goblyn,
I had so many issues with ELOO. canola works for me but I now add it to natural yogurt, no flavour added, (it blends nice and creamy) and then nose clip it, its easy to rinse my mouth after so guaranteed no flavour and I can get a substantial amount of calories in one hit. 

This works super well for me, hope it helps for you, there are lots of chats about nose clipping around that might help to.

Goblyn also good point on protein and water, I will have to make sure keep an eye on the protein too.
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Re: Total failure so far
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2010, 08:23:09 am »

For clarification, it is ELOO that I am using.  So far, I have not nose clipped.  While drinking a couple tablespoons of oil is not exactly appealing, I have no trouble getting it down and moving on.  I guess it won't hurt to try canola oil.  I also read about people using walnut oil, but that requires nose-clipping, right?

I generally start my day with a protein shake (100% whey isolate) that has a little yogurt mixed in.  I also usually have some fruit.  60-90 minutes later, I "oil up."  By the time lunch time rolls around, I am usually ready to eat anything.  With a little will power, I can usually make it through to dinner, but I sometimes need to get a snack mid-afternoon.  Once I eat dinner, I am usually OK for the rest of the evening, but still sometimes need a snack.  For the most part, I like to have protein at every meal, but I must admit that I may not always drink 8 glasses of water a day.

I have not read anything about the effect of alcohol on this diet.  Every now and then, I like to have a light beer or a glass of wine.  On Friday and Saturday, I might have two or three.  I understand that the this can add significant calories (100 per light beer), but does alcohol have any unusual impact on the Shangri-La diet?

I want to make this work, so I appreciate everyone's help.
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Re: Total failure so far
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2010, 09:23:28 am »

Refined walnut oil, Spectrum brand, is relatively flavor-free, especially refrigerated (it stays liquid).  But it does go rancid more quickly and costs more. 

Some who drink alcohol have commented on a tendency to snack with it, seems to be more habit than an SLD effect.

If you're eating your usual breakfast/lunch and suddenly getting much hungrier, it suggests you're associating the oil with flavor calories.  If you're "dieting" (cutting back without having reduced AS), you'll go through the same adjustment any dieter would.  If you're not getting good AS, you could try noseclipping your breakfast smoothie for more SLD calories.  For me, noseclipping didn't give me the long term AS that came from oil, but I got short-term satiety.

Some brands of ELOO have more flavor, even top brands vary by bottle.  As long as it is not rancid (a new bottle can be rancid, before the expiration date), you could try pinching your nose shut and rinse before breathing through your nose again.  That wasn't enough for me.  As Goblyn said, canola is a good alternate candidate.  It has a thinner mouth feel and the least flavor of any oil I tried, and a high omega 3:6 ratio.   Since you could take 4T oil without having to work up to it, canola should be an easy transition.   I think I'd try that, given it's been a few weeks.
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Re: Total failure so far
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2010, 10:28:04 am »

Hi bearh8r,

Lots of people switch to sugar water and/or noseclips when traveling. 

Have you read the section of the book on ditto foods?  I find that any time I eat bad ditto-y stuff (especially things with white flour, corn syrup, etc.), it tends to counteract the appetite suppression I get from the oil.

Someone here had success by consuming several hundred calories of cottage cheese every day before he ate anything else.  He was pleased with the appetite suppression, even though cottage cheese is a bland or lightly flavored food instead of a flavorless food.  Another guy made some kind of bland food balls and lost 100 pounds (see Beneke Method, http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?topic=915.0).  You could try using some bland foods in addition to using the oil, like maybe a bland snack when you're hungry.

Lots of people use Shangri La for appetite suppression and have some other diet plan to help choose their food.  I don't know what or how much you're eating, but I would say it's important to get enough nutrients and calories everyday, at least until AS kicks in.  Otherwise, it's pretty hard not to be hungry, even with the magic oil.  I would try to avoid using willpower to keep from eating when you're hungry.  That might be what causes yo-yo dieting.

Good luck!
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Re: Total failure so far
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2010, 12:30:36 pm »

Hi and welcome  :D

I'm wondering whether you're getting enough flavourless calories. I weigh about 221 pounds (aarrggh, I think I prefer kilograms!!) and I take nearly 5 tbsp of oil to achieve my AS. Perhaps add some more oil, noseclip a meal or try some platinum calories in addition to your current oil dosage.

Good luck and let us know how it goes  8)
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Re: Total failure so far
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2010, 05:41:27 pm »

Thanks for everyone's help and suggestions.  I will give them a try and check back in a week or two.  Wish me luck.
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Sanchiaza

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Re: Total failure so far
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2010, 10:15:44 pm »

Good luck, I look forward to reading about how it goes.
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Re: Total failure so far
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2010, 08:31:37 am »

Good luck!  Let us know how this is going for you.
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Re: Total failure so far
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2010, 03:09:18 pm »

Hi and welcome  :D

I'm wondering whether you're getting enough flavourless calories. I weigh about 221 pounds (aarrggh, I think I prefer kilograms!!) and I take nearly 5 tbsp of oil to achieve my AS. Perhaps add some more oil, noseclip a meal or try some platinum calories in addition to your current oil dosage.

Good luck and let us know how it goes  8)

I weigh 220 and get AS on 4 tbs a day. The days I accidently upped my dose to 6 I got super AS. The days I took 6 are the days I was distracted and forgot if I had my oil or not. These days I have a timer on my phone that goes off at oil time. Works lots better. :)
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Re: Total failure so far
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2010, 03:07:45 am »

Hope you're doing better, Bear!

Good job on the AS, SaintD!!

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