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Re: Dean Ornish, M.D: High protein diet makes us sick and fat
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2010, 04:21:37 pm »

Good thoughts, Pip.  They may have said in the full report why they used liquid, I figured they wanted the food to be in everybody's stomach at the same time. 

On the vegetable oil comment, I wasn't clear, at all, because I had a couple threads open at once, and got myself lost.   :oops:

I was wondering what Harris, in the PaNu article -- different thread -- was including in:

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Don’t cook with non-coconut plant oils, don’t eat fried food in restaurants and don’t eat “food” that comes in a box. Ever.

It is better to eat potatoes, corn and white rice than vegetable oil.

Oh well, I'll have some more omega3 and see if I can do better next time.   :D
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Re: Dean Ornish, M.D: High protein diet makes us sick and fat
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2010, 05:24:20 pm »

Dr. Harris includes every type of vegetable oil, except coconut oil. He is making the argument that PUFAs are very unhealthy and total amounts should be kept low. He has said that occasionally he eats olive oil for taste, but never cooks with it.

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Re: Dean Ornish, M.D: High protein diet makes us sick and fat
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2010, 10:41:58 am »

And just in case some folks missed it, coconut oil is a saturated fat.

Coconut oil is not a saturated fat. Instead, it is a medium chain triglyeride (MCT), and behaves like a carbohydate...ie, is directly expended for energy immediately after consumption and is not stored in the body.
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Re: Dean Ornish, M.D: High protein diet makes us sick and fat
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2010, 10:50:11 am »


Pick your poison:
High carbs => diabetes
High protein => liver & kidney problems
High Sat. fat with carbs => heart disease
High Sat. fat, low carbs, low-ish protein => ???


Nobody is advocating high carbs.
How about a balanced diet?
Also, why is carb always used to mean 'refined/processed carbs' which are evil?

Eating whole unprocessed carbs as one of the constituents of a balanced diet is a healthy option.


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Re: Dean Ornish, M.D: High protein diet makes us sick and fat
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2010, 12:04:16 pm »

And just in case some folks missed it, coconut oil is a saturated fat.

Coconut oil is not a saturated fat. Instead, it is a medium chain fatty acid (MCFA), and behaves like a carbohydate...ie, is directly expended for energy immediately after consumption and is not stored in the body.

Coconut oil is mostly saturated fat, that is why it is solid at room temperature. MCFAs can be SFA, MUFA or PUFA.  Check wikipedia or the nutrition label.

And, yes, eating whole unprocessed carbs as part of balanced diet can be a healthy option for those people whose bodies function well on whole unprocessed carbs.
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Re: Dean Ornish, M.D: High protein diet makes us sick and fat
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2010, 12:07:04 pm »

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=coconut+oil

Coconut oil is mostly saturated and very good for you.  

I suppose, if you got most of your carbs from root vegetables and fruit, I could agree that eating whole unprocessed carbs can be one of the constituents of a balanced diet.  http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/08/kitavans-wisdom-from-pacific-islands.html

But, if you are getting carbs from grains, and using legumes as your protein source- and I have every reason to expect that you are, I can't in good conscience say you are eating a balanced diet.  

wolframalpha.com is a pretty cool resource by the way.  You can type in stuff like 4 eggs + 4oz pork + etc...- put in a whole day's worth of food and it'll spit out a breakdown.  You can also stick in your height/weight/gender/age and get all sorts of stats back, like bmi, %bodyfat, and the like.  It's all based on averages, but it's pretty interesting nonetheless.
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Re: Dean Ornish, M.D: High protein diet makes us sick and fat
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2010, 12:10:02 pm »


Nobody is advocating high carbs.


Um, well, Dean Ornish is with his low-fat, vegetarian diet. Unless there is a 4th dietary macro element that I am not aware of.
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Re: Dean Ornish, M.D: High protein diet makes us sick and fat
« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2010, 12:21:17 pm »

wolframalpha.com is a pretty cool resource by the way.

Wow that is cool. I feel a new addiction coming on...
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Re: Dean Ornish, M.D: High protein diet makes us sick and fat
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2010, 04:45:41 pm »

I'm vegan and eat 90% whole, unrefined foods. My macronutrient ratios for today (and these are typical for me) were:

39% fat (thanks to flax seed and coconut oil mainly)
19% protein
42% carbs (no sugar or refined flour)

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Re: Dean Ornish, M.D: High protein diet makes us sick and fat
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2010, 04:56:24 pm »

Hi Vegan Kitten,

Sounds like you have a pretty healthy diet
 (for a vegan  :D)

According to Web MD, Ornish's dietary recommendation is for less than 10% of calories from fat. So, I'm afraid that his diet is high carb. He apparently recommends using low-fat commercial products which often contain HFCS as a replacement for fat.
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Re: Dean Ornish, M.D: High protein diet makes us sick and fat
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2010, 03:29:44 pm »

I get too hungry and eat too much when I go that low-fat ... even on the most virtuous fare.
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