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Platinum Calories check-in
« on: February 11, 2010, 03:06:07 pm »

Hi all-- Todd and Tandoori Trilobite have spearheaded a new approach, using "platinum calories" for AS.  Platinum calories are high in fat, can be tasty (no flavor free requirement) and have only 2 other requirements:

1. they are taken with a one hour window on each side
2. there is no protein and either no or very low amounts of carbohydrate in them.

The rationale for this is given under the "Science threads" under "Appetite suppression" if you want to look it up.

What I have in mind for this thread is a place where those of us experimenting with this approach can post our progress / successes for easy reference, rather than hunting randomly through different people's progress, SLD or update threads.

So --- I'll go first.... It's working really well for me!  Too soon to report on weight loss but for AS it works well.  I mix unsweetened cocoa powder with a TBSP coconut oil and 2 TBSP of heavy cream (no carbs, lots of fat) and drink it as a hot chocolate. 
I leave an hour on either side of this "snack" and find it incredibly satiating. 
Shovelqueen mixes coconut oil into her coffee; Todd has "italian sodas" made of heavy cream and plain soda water. 

I would love to hear how others are doing with this, and how it works out over time.
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Re: Platinum Calories check-in
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2010, 03:16:02 am »

I think this thread is a good idea, xtine.  The previous thread was intended to be about theory and research, and this one can deal more with practice and results.

One comment about point 2 in your description of platinum calories: Todd's practical description of Nirvana (here) admits low-ratio quantities of protein in addition to or instead of carbs.  In fact, he rates protein as notionally half as problematic (by weight) as carbs.

Since I most recently posted results last weekend, I'm planning to post further results this Sunday, when I have another seven days' worth of data to include.  In the meantime, here's some platinum food porn to go on with (51% fat -- 16.5g fat, 0.6g carbs, 0.5g protein per 30ml):



Jbird, who is scheduled to land in Australia tomorrow, will probably be off to a supermarket soon to buy some of this stuff. :)
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Re: Platinum Calories check-in
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2010, 06:13:11 am »

I've been on platinum coffee for the last two weeks (really that long? weird).

I first tried platinum coffee with just lots of cream (three weeks ago)...no good, filling, but the AS passes and I ended up getting ravenously hungry.  But at the urging of SQ and others I decided to give it a go with VCO and cream...

WOW.  I'm not going to say that I have such good AS that I'm not eating anything, but I'm getting AS like I did when I first started SLD, I don't think about food all day long, I'm satisfied by smaller portions and I don't feel the need to eat all night long.  Actually, now that I'm getting out of the habit of eating non stop all evening (or I guess that's what it seems like by comparison), I am finding that I am getting better AS since the urge to occupy my mouth is going away...

However, other than doing the platinum coffee in the morning (and occasionally other times during the day) I am not trying to make my regular food consumption altered, I'm still eating normal ordinary run of the mill food, I'm not going low carb or low fat or low protein or high protein or high fat or high carb or any of the other things I could possibly do.  I do notice that if I eat too many refined carbs in the evening, especially on the sweet side of the spectrum, it sets off my hunger, so my goal for the next week or so is to come up with dessert type things to eat that don't do this to me, as I do find it very satisfying to eat something sweet after my one meal per day.
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Re: Platinum Calories check-in
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2010, 06:19:44 am »

Well I decided to research the availability of "double cream" in the states, and it seems that its exclusively reserved for restaurant use (probably due to the fact that the average consumer is fat-phobic and would likely freak out if they saw such a product in the aisle, especially if it were in the way of their artificially produced fat free cool whip or similar), but that some warehouses and specialty stores sell it (I wonder if I could find it at the dairy farm near my bf's parent's house, they have a large bakery/dairy store on premises and who knows?).  But I also found out that clotted cream (which I absolutely adore) is actually very very very high fat content cream (duh).  What I'm not positive is if it is sweetened at all.  Do any of you know?  It is mildly sweet, the way butter is, which makes me think its probably just as a result of it being a dairy product, but I have no idea.

If its not sweetened, then I'm totally picking some up ASAP!  I can eat clotted cream by the spoonful no problem (or by the spoonful with some berries, or other platinum calorie approved snack) and would LOVE the excuse to eat as much of it as humanly possible lol.
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Re: Platinum Calories check-in
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2010, 07:02:56 am »

I too would be curious to know how the fat-to-carbs ratio of clotted cream compares to that of double cream (or of heavy whipping cream).  Not that I've seen clotted cream routinely available on supermarket shelves like double cream, but I'd still be interested to know.
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Re: Platinum Calories check-in
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2010, 07:17:12 am »

Here in the states CC is hard to find, but there is a UK specialty store nearby that carries it, and its also available (at a hefty price) at Whole Foods.
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Re: Platinum Calories check-in
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2010, 07:27:43 am »

or you could make it yourself
at least one of the recipes I posted above was how to make it yourself
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Re: Platinum Calories check-in
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2010, 07:56:55 am »

Well there's that too lol!
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Re: Platinum Calories check-in
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2010, 08:23:50 am »

I started with some platinum calories this week too.  I'm having about a tablespoon (not measuring, just using the old eyeball) of VCO in some herbal lemon tea with stevia.  It's pretty good.  I've been having it about lunch time.  Yesterday it was my lunch.  I'm finding that the AS is similar to when I first started SLD.  And the scale has responded well.  I'm down 3.2 pounds since last Friday.  Yesterday  I had my oil in the morning (1 T safflower, 1 T ELOO), a Zone bar at about 10, my platinum cals about 1, and then didn't eat until dinner at 7:30.  I wasn't hungry at dinner, but since my SO cooked, I felt I needed to eat.  I suspect I could have just gone to bed without eating.  This is pretty awesome.  Now I need to get another jar of VCO to have at home as the jar I have is at work.  I don't want to go the whole weekend without it.

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Re: Platinum Calories check-in
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2010, 02:08:48 pm »

Today I had my usual (cocoa powder, VCO and heavy cream in hot water) and thought I'd try nose-clipping.  Incredible AS. 
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Re: Platinum Calories check-in
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2010, 06:43:44 am »

Lately I've been re-reading alot of my cookbooks (approaching cooking after being on SLD and not being afraid of fat and meat is a revelation) and last night it was "Mastering the Art of French Cooking."  In it Julia talks about various US equivalents of French ingredients and while talking about cream, she mentions that US whipping cream has a much lower fat content than European cream, and also that she suggests using creme fraiche instead of whipping cream when recipes call for cream, AND that in France creme fraiche is sometimes known as creme double.

So....is double cream just creme fraiche?  Because if so, then double cream is widely available in US supermarkets! 

Either way, I'll be sure to check it out, as I do enjoy creme fraiche and berries!
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Re: Platinum Calories check-in
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2010, 07:23:44 am »

goblyn: So....is double cream just creme fraiche?

Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be the case.  If you google around and look at a few articles, you'll find double cream and creme fraiche listed in the same article as separate items with separate descriptions.  Creme fraiche is a soured cream (and is sometimes suggested as a substitute for sour cream), while double cream is just ... well, heavier cream.  If the fat-to-carbs/protein ratio of creme fraiche is higher than that of your heavy whipping cream, then creme fraiche might still be an improvement, though.
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Re: Platinum Calories check-in
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2010, 09:53:13 am »

I do enjoy creme fraiche and berries!

Goblyn,

This could be the answer to your search for a dessert that keeps your carb cravings in check.  Creme fraiche has only about 1 g carb per oz, and blueberries have only about 8 grams of net carbs per half cup.  So you could have a pretty large bowl of blueberries and creme fraiche without setting off the alarm bells.  And there is so much good saturated fat in creme fraiche that I suspect the MORE you have the better the AS and the more weight you will lose.  And why not stir in a little CO while you are at it? 

Another great "dessert" is a dessert cheese. There are so many to choose from, this is one way to add variety to low carb.  Since you are into French cooking, there are unripended cheeses like Petit Gervais and Petit Suisse, Ricota and Coulommiers; as well as those which are ripened and have soft edible crusts, such as Brie, Camembert, Liederkranz and Poona.  All high fat.  Or if you like blue cheeses there are Stilton, Gorgonzola, Bleu, Dorset Vinney and Roquefort. Other semihard dessert cheeses are Muenster, Port du Salut, Bel Paese and Gammelost. You can have them with a little port wine or other after dinner liqueur, and even a few grapes or slices of apples.  You can spread the cheeses on apple slices as a crunchy alternative to carby-crackers.

These will extinguish many an appetite, and keep the insulin fires in check.

The only problem would be having these "desserts" too soon after eating a main course. Ideally you would wait at least an hour after dinner before having it.  However, as a REPLACEMENT for a high carb, sugary dessert, I would wager that even having these with a shortened "window" is far better than the alternative, and as a transitional strategy, might be worth checking out.  I think it is best to avoid dessert entirely, but the perfect is the enemy of the good, so it is better to devise transitional strategies than to rigidly insist on rules that are impossible to adhere to from Day One, and which lead to bingeing.

Another thought I had for you, nougat, phoebe and others who seem to have pretty strong carb cravings:  what about "spoiling" your dinner appetite by taking a large platnium "appetitzer" 20-30 minutes before eating dinner? Enig and Fallon recommend this approach in "Eat Fat, Lose Fat":

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Want a surefire way to escalate weight loss? Twenty minutes before each meal, take some coconut oil! By mealtime, coconut's satiation effect will be in full force, so that you won't feel hungry.  You may even feel full before finishing your, meal, so that you eat less and lose weight. The easiest way to take your coconut oil is to make a Coconut infusion: place 1 to 2 tablespoons of softened coconut oil into a mug and add hot water (or hot herbal tea), allowing the oil to melt before drinking....If you weigh over 180 pounds, take 2 tablespoons coconut oil before each meal, for a total of 6 tablespoons each day. (EFLF, p. 110)

Sounds like Enig and Fallon discovered platinum calories back in 2005!

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Re: Platinum Calories check-in
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2010, 09:59:30 am »

also yummy is full fat greek strained yogurt.   i had some with some thawed frozen blueberries.  :)
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