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[Kirk]

Kirk, a week long trial of each method was a good idea. What was it that worked for you?

I experimented with many oils . . . ELOO, walnut, coconut, flax, cream, lecithin-mixtures . . .  experimented with sugar water . . . experimented with Beneke mush . . . experimented with JUDDDD . . . experimented with NC'ing . . . never could wrap my head around CFF so I can't really claim my brief dally with CFF was a true experiment.

I finally realized there were two critical components for me.  The first was that some of us need much more than 2X bodyweight in SLD calories.  Some of us need 70% or more of our daily calories to be SLD calories in order to push down the set point.  The second component was developing and using crazy spicing recipes, as well as slightly altering the flavor of most food.  (Because that's how SLD started, right?  Seth's in a different country eating food his internal systems have never encountered before, and they don't know what the heck to make of it.)  (Sometimes I think this forum has gotten overly obsessed with oil.) 

Here is where I discuss my current successful approach in more detail (and it's still working; today my scale registered two fewer pounds since this posting):
http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?topic=6200.msg81672#msg81672

[Outrayjust]

Jas, so good to see you in an upswing again. And I'm thrilled you're liking FM. One of the best benefits of that program - besides the obvious toning! - is how it relaxes your face....and the rest of you as a result. Tension is an immediate ager. And releasing it can take years off in a nanosecond.

~Outy

[Jasmyn]

Thank you for all these enlightening and cheerleading posts. You guys rock, and I totally appreciate it!!!! Kirk, something rang a bell with me when I saw what you are currently doing. I have been afraid to up my dose of ELOO when I use ELOO, for fear of taking in too many oil calories. But ELOO has worked very well for AS for me in the past, but stopped working.  I was taking 2 1/2 tablespoons of oil. At 150 pounds, that is twice my body weight in SLD calories, or ~ 300 calories. I wonder if I took 600 calories of oil, would that be too much? I am seriously considering doing that. I can noseclip 300 calories, but no more than that would work for me because I don't like the nose clips, and it is inconvenient for me.

Hmmmmmmmmmm......
Jas

[karky]

Jas, I would take it in slow increments.
If you take 2.5 TBS now, go up a tsp.
Wait a couple of days, then if you need to, go up another tsp.
Easier opn the guts that way too. 

[Kirk]

I recommend you continue with the 300 calories of ELOO, and then add some extra credits (as listed in the book) instead of extra oil.  Noseclip bland food.  And try out some of them crazy spicing recipes.

I am finding that I need 5X in SLD calories, over multiple consecutive days, to lose weight.  (Actually, it's probably more, since I twist just about everything else, but I track only those SLD calories which have near-100% effect  . . . and for my protocol, that would be CS, NC, ELOO, and SW.  In any given week, that would be at least 80% CS, 18% NC, and the rest mostly SW.  I rarely take oil any more.)

[Outrayjust]

What Kirk said. Or break it into more doses. I just started doing that again this weekend. I was having my old late day Munchypalooza fest. Great AS until then. So, I've started taking a DC/Protein shake bubble-nosed in the AM upon waking and having a little VCO/DC mid-afternoon.

~Outy