fast-5, physiologic timings for fat burning

[Ann H]

I thought I'd start up this thread to catch all the input on fast-5 and especially the physiological timings for fat burning, as explained neatly (I thought) in the free e-book available at the fast-5 website, http://www.fast-5.com/ .

I've not got much time now, but I'll start with a quickie summary:

Dr. Bert Herring teaches a program in which folks only take in calories within a 5-hour window daily, and he suggests that window be as far from sleeping as possible, so for most folks, 5-10pm. The reason comes down to how and when the body changes from sugar-burning mode (right after eating) to fat-burning mode (only several hours after the last meal, and while sleeping).

He also claims that obese people have a screwed up insulin mechanism that makes our insulin NEVER fall to the necessary levels for fat burning if we eat thrice daily, even tiny meals or just caloried-drinks. (Normal folks have no such problem.) But if the obese limit their eating to a briefer window, the insulin will have time to fall.

He suggests that folks consume their calories far from rising because the body already was in fat-burning mode during sleep, and it's more metabolically efficient to let it continue longer in that manner, and then eat late, rather than eat early and the body must switch modes earlier.

The e-book is free, very short, and written very clearly, so I recommend printing it and reading it: took me all of 45 minutes, if that.

I have been one of those folks for whom classic SLD worked fantastically, then stopped. I regained the weight and when trying to lose it again couldn't manage as good results as the first time I tried SLD.

This time, on Sunday, I started the fast-5 thing plus SLD together (I take oil outside the eating window when I'm too hungry), and have had excellent results so far: 6 pounds lost between Sunday and Wednesday (today). This mimics my initial very successful results with SLD. I've so far only managed to push back my eating window to 11-4, but am trying to get it later in the day. I'm eating very well during the window: for example, I ate yesterday, spread out during the window:

1 large whole fish, about 1 cup meat total (leftovers from my MIL: I don't buy or cook meat myself, but won't waste it, either)
1.2 cups of cooked spinachy-thing (Asian greens)
.6 cups cooked broccoli
1 banana with 2Tbs black sesame tahini
1 medium apple
4 bites egg casserole
1 cup coffee with milk and sugar
1 cup chocolate, milk and sugar

That's pretty typical.

I'm wondering if, presuming this approach continues to work for me and the others who've mentioned it on these boards, our insulin reactions/failure of the body to switch into fat burning mode after eating our meals were messing up our SLD and making our loss very slow. I am taking significantly less calories now, but I think it may be more significant for my body that I'm lumping the calories together, rather than spreading them out. I also do think that clearly fast-5 and SLD are getting at the same problem: fast-5 is simply missing consideration for lowering setpoint by breaking the flavor-calorie association (completely absent the idea of flavorless calories) while SLD doesn't develop the physiological-timings-of-fat-burning idea much.

Ideas, thoughts, experiences?

[falconcy]

This sounds interesting, might try this out once I finish the master cleanse. It will fit into my plan quite nicely. I was planning on eating once a day, preferably late in the day. The idea is to cook something pretty gourmet and enjoy it. The rest of the day would be hydration and maybe some Lemonade as per the cleanse. Oil would be calculated on what gives the best level of AS, likely taken first thing in the morning.

[falconcy]

Funny thing is, I've almost been doing this with the master cleanse, might try the same principles whilst still on it. Hydration till 5 or 6 pm, then lemonade till 10-11pm, senna plus water before bed. Moving over to solids can be done using the same time frame. This could theoretically push things into overdrive if he is right as it will increase the time my body is burning fat.

[Ann H]

Just a quick check: you're being careful with that senna and not using it too long, right? It can be very harsh... Just checking. (And you're really not eating ANYTHING while on the cleanse? Sorry to be so pesky: haven't read your cleanse posts...)

[frenata]

Dr. Bert Herring teaches a program in which folks only take in calories within a 5-hour window daily, and he suggests that window be as far from sleeping as possible, so for most folks, 5-10pm.

How is that far from sleeping? You mean far from waking up?

[Ann H]

Ha ha! Yes, as far on the waking up end from sleeping as possible, the next day.

[falconcy]

Just a quick check: you're being careful with that senna and not using it too long, right? It can be very harsh... Just checking. (And you're really not eating ANYTHING while on the cleanse? Sorry to be so pesky: haven't read your cleanse posts...)

Yeah, it is a careful thing, I'm using enteric coated pills to keep it from being released too fast. I have control over the amount and sometimes skip it altogether. No solid food at all. The lemonade mix is fairly low calorie, certainly less than a regular soda.

Fast-5 sounds just the right thing to do post the master cleanse. Thanks for bringing it up. It will keep me in burning mode and at the same time give me a regime which suits me and does not put me straight back into a weight gain. It also fits with my idea of eating interesting food and on one real sitting.

[mac24312]

I thought I'd start up this thread to catch all the input on fast-5 and especially the physiological timings for fat burning, as explained neatly (I thought) in the free e-book available at the fast-5 website, http://www.fast-5.com/ .

I've not got much time now, but I'll start with a quickie summary:

Dr. Bert Herring teaches a program in which folks only take in calories within a 5-hour window daily, and he suggests that window be as far from sleeping as possible, so for most folks, 5-10pm. The reason comes down to how and when the body changes from sugar-burning mode (right after eating) to fat-burning mode (only several hours after the last meal, and while sleeping).

He also claims that obese people have a screwed up insulin mechanism that makes our insulin NEVER fall to the necessary levels for fat burning if we eat thrice daily, even tiny meals or just caloried-drinks. (Normal folks have no such problem.) But if the obese limit their eating to a briefer window, the insulin will have time to fall.

He suggests that folks consume their calories far from rising because the body already was in fat-burning mode during sleep, and it's more metabolically efficient to let it continue longer in that manner, and then eat late, rather than eat early and the body must switch modes earlier.

The e-book is free, very short, and written very clearly, so I recommend printing it and reading it: took me all of 45 minutes, if that.

I have been one of those folks for whom classic SLD worked fantastically, then stopped. I regained the weight and when trying to lose it again couldn't manage as good results as the first time I tried SLD.

This time, on Sunday, I started the fast-5 thing plus SLD together (I take oil outside the eating window when I'm too hungry), and have had excellent results so far: 6 pounds lost between Sunday and Wednesday (today). This mimics my initial very successful results with SLD. I've so far only managed to push back my eating window to 11-4, but am trying to get it later in the day. I'm eating very well during the window: for example, I ate yesterday, spread out during the window:

1 large whole fish, about 1 cup meat total (leftovers from my MIL: I don't buy or cook meat myself, but won't waste it, either)
1.2 cups of cooked spinachy-thing (Asian greens)
.6 cups cooked broccoli
1 banana with 2Tbs black sesame tahini
1 medium apple
4 bites egg casserole
1 cup coffee with milk and sugar
1 cup chocolate, milk and sugar

That's pretty typical.

I'm wondering if, presuming this approach continues to work for me and the others who've mentioned it on these boards, our insulin reactions/failure of the body to switch into fat burning mode after eating our meals were messing up our SLD and making our loss very slow. I am taking significantly less calories now, but I think it may be more significant for my body that I'm lumping the calories together, rather than spreading them out. I also do think that clearly fast-5 and SLD are getting at the same problem: fast-5 is simply missing consideration for lowering setpoint by breaking the flavor-calorie association (completely absent the idea of flavorless calories) while SLD doesn't develop the physiological-timings-of-fat-burning idea much.

Ideas, thoughts, experiences?

Yes
I have been doing F5 for along with SDL and another program called JUDDDD. It broke my plateau since Jan and I have lost 8 lbs in 10 days.  

I started out each day doing from my F5 window of 1 to 6 now to 4pm to 9pm. That works better with my DH swing shift.  

So far, I have noticed that each day I do this I am less hungry during the day. If I start to feel hungry I take and drink water or caffeine free tea and after about 30 min I am not hungry anymore till 4pm.  

One thing. You are taking you ELOO OUT of the 5 hour window and that is working still with F5?  I am going to try that also. Since I am doing 3 programs at once I have been wondering about doing the SDL on my DOWN day of JUDDDD right a hour before my 5 hour window of F5. I can have more calories on my DOWN day vs my UP days.

Later and HUGS
Christina

[losing-it]

One thing. You are taking you ELOO OUT of the 5 hour window and that is working still with F5?  I am going to try that also. Since I am doing 3 programs at once I have been wondering about doing the SDL on my DOWN day of JUDDDD right a hour before my 5 hour window of F5. I can have more calories on my DOWN day vs my UP days.

Later and HUGS
Christina

Hi Christina, I think you mean doing SLD oil on your UP day, which is the day you can eat ad-libitum on JUDDDD (higher calories, rather than restrictred). The DOWN day is the day JUDDDD has calorie restriction. So you want to have more calories on your UP day vs your DOWN day. (Up means "raise-up calories", down means "lower-down calories". For my purposes I call them FEAST and LEAN days. Easier to remember, and 'down' sounds psychologically downer to me.

I've not tried Fast 5 yet, but may.

Ann, I'm also interested to know if you are taking an oil dose during Fast 5 and if so, does it help with AS?

[mac24312]

YEP!
There I go again..getting goofed up...lol.
Later and HUGS
Christina

[fitnessfreak]

I have been one of those folks for whom classic SLD worked fantastically, then stopped. I regained the weight and when trying to lose it again couldn't manage as good results as the first time I tried SLD.
Ideas, thoughts, experiences?

I am curious, when  you lost your weight did you continue to take the ELOO? Or did you stop it. How did you gain the weight back?

[fitnessfreak]

So, let me make this simple. Are you saying that it's better to wait as long as you can before eating during the day? Like if you can hold off until 5 and eat between 5 and 10 pm when you go to bed then your body will burn fat longer during the day?

Curious thought.

[mac24312]

Yes..that is the idea 
HUGS
Christina

[fitnessfreak]

OK I just checked the book out. Do you take your oil as normal every day with it? Since it's tasteless and it's oil and has no impact on insulin, I would think it's ok to do so.

[multimoe]

   I was using Fast 5 for three months before starting SLD and had lost 12 lbs.
Even though without SLD it was a struggle, it really suited me as I am one
of those who just couldn’t eat until noon most days, but always kept it to
myself to avoid the usual admonitions for not following ‘conventional wisdom’. 
While adjusting to and experimenting with SLD, I was not following it as precisely. 
Once I felt more comfortable with SLD, I resumed this way of eating, starting
my meal between 4:30 & 5:00 pm, allowing a 5 hr. food window, and taking
1-2 Tb ELOO at bedtime or later. 

  It really is true that after a very short while, it is very easy to wait till late afternoon
before eating.  You work up to it gradually, just keeping well hydrated all day.  For
a while, there is some some over-compensating, or perhaps a feeling of entitlement
for being so ‘good’ all day, but this very soon balances out.  I always knew that if I
ate in the morning, (and, yes, there will always be occasions when it becomes necessary),
I would keep eating all day, and not eat any less at dinner than I am with Fast 5.  Some
days it gets a little messed up, but is doable most of the time.  And I don’t necessarily
think that it’s for everyone, but well worth experimenting with to see if it works for you.
I know that it is SLD that makes this now work so easily for me, and I should add that
maintenance is going very well and very easily.