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After a lifetime of not weighing what I wanted, the idea that I can choose my weight is a stupendous dream for my mind to grasp. All along I've been hopeful, but not daring to believe in it, until it becomes real and lasting.  But now I live with feeling happiness with my body, and that feeling is a priceless gift. -- Heidi 555
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Question: Which do you mainly use to do SLD, sugar water or oil? How has your sleep changed since you started SLD?
Mainly oil. Sleep much better. - 14 (33.3%)
Mainly oil. Sleep slightly better. - 12 (28.6%)
Mainly oil. Sleep unchanged. - 12 (28.6%)
Mainly oil. Sleep slightly worse. - 3 (7.1%)
Mainly oil. Sleep much worse. - 0 (0%)
Mainly sugar water. Sleep much better. - 0 (0%)
Mainly sugar water. Sleep slightly better. - 1 (2.4%)
Mainly sugar water. Sleep unchanged. - 0 (0%)
Mainly sugar water. Sleep slightly worse. - 0 (0%)
Mainly sugar water. Sleep much worse. - 0 (0%)
None of the above - 0 (0%)
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Seth Roberts
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How's your sleep?
« on: June 25, 2006, 07:22:43 AM »

Please judge whether you use mainly the oil or mainly the sugar water by the number of calories of each. If calories of oil > calories of sugar water, then choose mainly oil. If calories of sugar water > calories of oil, then choose mainly sugar water.
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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2006, 03:47:24 PM »

I am unsure at this point how to answer this.

Just this past week I stopped using my CPAP.  Right now, it seems I don't need it, but I won't know for sure for a couple weeks when I will be able to tell if I'm accumulating sleep debt.

I've been this weight before and needed the CPAP, so I don't think the improvement in apnea is totally due to weight loss.

At worst, though, I think my CPAP needs to be adjusted.  When I use it, I seem to be doing things in my sleep to make it stop the pressure, like moving the mask or letting the pressure escape out my mouth.
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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2006, 05:43:36 PM »

Miller, it sounds like your sleep is greatly improved. To be able to CONSIDER stopping the CPAP would be a big improvement, I'd think. No?
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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2006, 06:53:16 PM »

Miller, it sounds like your sleep is greatly improved. To be able to CONSIDER stopping the CPAP would be a big improvement, I'd think. No?

Yes, without a doubt.  But weight loss alone can sometimes give you improvement with apnea, so I'm not sure the oil is directly influencing my sleep.  Though the weight loss is without a doubt improving my sleep.
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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2006, 08:01:17 PM »

it's not a question about causality. it's just a question about what category you fall into.

by aggregating individual data we can learn something about causality.

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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2006, 08:12:09 PM »

it's not a question about causality. it's just a question about what category you fall into.

by aggregating individual data we can learn something about causality.



Ah, okay then, my answer is in the poll.
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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2006, 12:00:35 PM »

At worst, though, I think my CPAP needs to be adjusted.  When I use it, I seem to be doing things in my sleep to make it stop the pressure, like moving the mask or letting the pressure escape out my mouth.

Miller - my husband also has a CPAP.  He thought it was a pain in the neck to have to go in to the office every time he wanted the pressure modified, so he watched what the tech did the next time he went in and is now able to change the pressure himself.  If you can figure out how to do it, that might be nice as you're losing weight.  It sounds like you probably still need the CPAP, just not at such a high pressure and the pressure needed will probably continue to drop until you lose enough weight to get off it.
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Re: How's your sleep?
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2006, 12:02:52 PM »

if i am dreaming more, does that mean i'm experiencing improved sleep?  i'm getting tired of the dream drama actually . . .
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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2006, 04:14:46 PM »

"Dream drama" may indicate a sharp increase in melatonin production. Which might mean, yes, better sleep.

Seth, my sleep wildly varies depending on the oil I am taking: The wheat germ oil made me manic and insomniac -- though not tired the following day. The oils since (black currant, borage, pumpkin seed, evening primrose and flax) have improved my sleep but I still need less of it. A good thing!
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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2006, 05:18:13 PM »

Miller,
If you don't mind me asking but how much weight have you lost so far? I had never given a thought to the possibility I might be able to discontinue my CPAP! Talk about an additional health benefit!

Thanks,
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2006, 11:41:22 AM »

Miller,
If you don't mind me asking but how much weight have you lost so far? I had never given a thought to the possibility I might be able to discontinue my CPAP! Talk about an additional health benefit!

Thanks,

20 pounds, more or less (I haven't weighed myself this week yet).

I needed the CPAP even at this weight several years ago, so the oil may be contributing to better sleep in other ways than weight loss.  However, I also am getting a bit more sleep now and that can affect it also, from my understanding.
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2006, 01:36:38 PM »

Just thought I would note that I have taken ELOO for three days now and for the first time in almost 4 years (stroker 4 y. ago) I actually woke up and remembered my dream.  I don't recall dreaming since my stroke till now.  Haven't lost anything but feel not so puffy...eating half of what I'll usually do but can't quite say I feel suppression because I also do not have any strong hunger pains.  Just habitual snacker as I go thru the day, not sure if that's "Intuitive eater" or what?  See how it goes.  Like to weight lose, better sleep and not feel creaky in my knees and elbows..then I'd be almost complaint free! Razz
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