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 41 
 on: October 19, 2014, 06:23:46 AM 
Started by marsh - Last post by Augustus
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Today had coffee, no breakfast and then a tuna sandwich at 11.45 as I was hungry.  Got home about 1pm, took full dose, waited an hour, felt very bloated and nauseous and very shaky, like low blood sugar.   Had an english muffin with butter and jam (obviously not the best choice :-\) and feel TERRIBLE-Shaky, tired and sick  :(  I don't feel hungry but feel as if my blood sugar is really low.  Just had some almonds but don't feel as if I can stomach anything else. 

Where am I going wrong?

Shaky et. al. is what happens to me when I don't get enough calories.  It is weird and strange to need need food, but your body has no appetite.  The other symptom I get that signals I need to eat is I start salivating.

My personal theory is that your can move your body's set point only so fast, and if you try to move it faster you get symptoms as it complains.

I also find it odd how the appetite suppression includes that thing you've notice that you don't just have a desire for to eat, but also that if you do it will give you a stomach upset; as if the entire digestive track has shrunk/shut-down.

So maybe, your just trying too hard.  I figure I can - best case - expect to loose a bit less than a pound a week; and so I set my expectations about how long it's going take as say half a pound a week.  Then I just try to not obsess about it.

I eat when I'm hungry, to be sociable, and to settle my stomach.  Yogurt is good for the last one.  I occasionally have an issue with coffee deciding to irrate my stomach and I back off and let it heal.  I make some effort to avoid dittos; the snack food in the breakroom :).

Also try putting individual symptoms into the forum's search box.  Shaky isn't uncommon :).

 42 
 on: October 18, 2014, 09:29:35 AM 
Started by marsh - Last post by gte
I'm not a nutrition expert, but I have had this bloated feeling before. One
thing I noticed about myself is that scheduled meals work better than eating
when I feel hungry. For the last few weeks I'm eating preplanned meals at
scheduled times. This way I can have a well balanced diet and Ι mostly avoid
binge eating. I haven't felt bloated in a while too.

I don't really have advice for you, but maybe some of the things that work for
me can work for you too.

 43 
 on: October 15, 2014, 07:05:58 AM 
Started by marsh - Last post by marsh
Can anyone clarify why the book says this?

It's been a while since I have read the book, but Seth was all about self experimentation and the numbers given in the book are not a formula to follow, but rather a starting point for self experimentation. You see how it affects you and you start adjusting from there.

I don't see why any other number of calories can't be a starting point. You could start with 165 and if the AS isn't there move up or move down if it is, until you lose it. Simply try things until you find the lowest amount of tasteless calories that does the job. And it will probably change over time.

I did a lot of experimenting when I was sticking strictly to SLD and discovered that ELOO does nothing for me and SW is too difficult to stick with. Others have had great success with CO and Morex even had long lasting AS after he stopped using oil.

Thanks gte for your reply. 

I have started again with extra virgin  unrefined coconut oil and nose clips.    I initially split the dose-1 tbsp in the morning and 1 and half tbsp in the evening and chased with a little sugar water. 

Yesterday I decided to take it all in the one dose around 10.30am.  I still felt a bit hungry and had lunch  and a couple of snacks later but then had no hunger in the afternoon and into the evening so skipped dinner.  So far, so good.

Today had coffee, no breakfast and then a tuna sandwich at 11.45 as I was hungry.  Got home about 1pm, took full dose, waited an hour, felt very bloated and nauseous and very shaky, like low blood sugar.   Had an english muffin with butter and jam (obviously not the best choice :-\) and feel TERRIBLE-Shaky, tired and sick  :(  I don't feel hungry but feel as if my blood sugar is really low.  Just had some almonds but don't feel as if I can stomach anything else. 

Where am I going wrong? 

 44 
 on: October 15, 2014, 03:51:02 AM 
Started by gte - Last post by gte
What I suggest is giving yourself 2 weeks with SLD without expecting any changes to your weight or hunger levels until then. Just take your oil and detach yourself from the outcome. Automatically, in time, your body will adjust to the oil and without constant scrutiny you will notice AS.

Thank you for the suggestions. I actually gave myself a lot longer than two weeks, but I wasn't really detached from the outcome. In fact I was quite obsessed with the scale and with my daily progress. Maybe this was the reason it didn't work.

But SLD was still greatly helpful for me as it prompted me to learn more about diets, healthy eating and the importance of exercise. I have made significant changes to my diet and I've stuck to them. I've broken out of the starving/binging circle and now I'm trying to carefully balance my diet instead of just eating less.

 45 
 on: October 15, 2014, 03:41:15 AM 
Started by marsh - Last post by gte
Can anyone clarify why the book says this?

It's been a while since I have read the book, but Seth was all about self experimentation and the numbers given in the book are not a formula to follow, but rather a starting point for self experimentation. You see how it affects you and you start adjusting from there.

I don't see why any other number of calories can't be a starting point. You could start with 165 and if the AS isn't there move up or move down if it is, until you lose it. Simply try things until you find the lowest amount of tasteless calories that does the job. And it will probably change over time.

I did a lot of experimenting when I was sticking strictly to SLD and discovered that ELOO does nothing for me and SW is too difficult to stick with. Others have had great success with CO and Morex even had long lasting AS after he stopped using oil.

 46 
 on: October 13, 2014, 01:12:40 PM 
Started by Morex - Last post by siren
Absolutely, since you are working out so much. However, since you are on a paleo diet, I would suggest you do some research to see what works best for you. Do you feel tired at some point in the day? Maybe you need some b-complex and iron?

 47 
 on: October 10, 2014, 06:32:27 AM 
Started by marsh - Last post by marsh
Hi Marsh

Welcome!

I am the same height and about 10 pounds heavier than you. What I suggest is taking 2 tbsps together followed by a teaspoon of sugar (the sugar helps take the unpleasantness of the oil off). It works better for me this way, rather than breaking it up and the AS is more intense. Also, I suggest taking chromium and L-Glutamine to help with your sugar cravings.

Good luck!

Thank you Augustus and Siren for your replies.

Siren, I'll try mixing the sugar water and oil together-am interested to see how much stronger the AS is and if I feel different by having sugar with it.  I'm going to start this evening or tomorrow with coconut oil but I'm aware that it has flavour, so I'll need to mouth breath or wear nose clips-will have to get some! 

I'm halfway through the book and it says that if you have less than 20lbs to lose, then you take in 165 cals (1 tbsp of oil and 1 tbsp of sugar water).  I'm a bit confused by that as I thought I needed to take in 280 cals (double my body weight in lbs) and was even thinking about upping the oil a bit. 

Can anyone clarify why the book says this?

 48 
 on: October 08, 2014, 01:35:09 PM 
Started by Morex - Last post by Morex
Hi Siren!

Yes, yes, I'm still here!

I never took oil and sugar, but I'm glad it's working for you. The only supplement I have is a multivitamin and that's it.

Do you think I should have a little more minerals?

Thanks for popping in!


Great to hear from you Morex. I was wondering what you were up to! I took your advice and dropped sugar. Not rigidly, but I rarely have a piece of chocolate or a biscuit everyday, as I used to. I think what helped is taking the oil and sugar (I take 2 tbsps oil and 2 teaspoons of sugar at 4pm each day) daily and just not eating sugar! Also, I take chromium and L-Glutamine each day which I think helps with the sugar cravings.

Stay strong!

 :)

 49 
 on: October 08, 2014, 01:27:46 PM 
Started by gte - Last post by siren
Initially I had the same issues you are having gte. Part of the reason is, as shovelqueen mentioned, your body getting used to the oil. The other part is psychological; you are expecting no hunger and that's what you are thinking about all the time, hence hunger. What I suggest is giving yourself 2 weeks with SLD without expecting any changes to your weight or hunger levels until then. Just take your oil and detach yourself from the outcome. Automatically, in time, your body will adjust to the oil and without constant scrutiny you will notice AS. Atleast that is what I experienced. I also suggest you add 1-3 teaspoons sugar after or mixed with your oil intake. I find this has helped me keep AS over longer periods of time.

Bonne chance!

 50 
 on: October 08, 2014, 01:14:52 PM 
Started by marsh - Last post by siren
Hi Marsh

Welcome!

I am the same height and about 10 pounds heavier than you. What I suggest is taking 2 tbsps together followed by a teaspoon of sugar (the sugar helps take the unpleasantness of the oil off). It works better for me this way, rather than breaking it up and the AS is more intense. Also, I suggest taking chromium and L-Glutamine to help with your sugar cravings.

Good luck!

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