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The Shangri-La Diet => Progress/Updates => Topic started by: terry on May 19, 2006, 12:29:40 PM

Title: Terry's Progress
Post by: terry on May 19, 2006, 12:29:40 PM
Background on me, stats are 46 year woman, 5'5", now at 186 pounds (I started my own diet plan April 1 and have lost 15 pounds when I heard of SLD).  I am a person who has felt completely obsessed with food as far back as I can remember.  The only exception was when I was pregnant.  I was hungry but, nothing sounded good.  Pregnancy was such a relief from the constant battle of what I know I should eat and what I constantly want to eat.  I eat over emotions, good and bad and have yo-you'd most of my adult life (130-140# in high school, 120-150# up & down from 20 - 34 years old, then after pregnancy between 160-200# up & down from 35 'til now).  It's always been a struggle and as you can see, mostly up over the years.  I've tried Overeaters Anonymous with some success but, always feel starved when I'm losing weight.

I first heard Seth on Dennis Prager's radio show (the original taping) a few weeks ago and decided to try Seth's method of lowering my set point.  I still want to lose 56 more pounds so I bought Seth's book and charged ahead on May 5 with 400 calories of sugar water/canola oil daily intermittently and between meals, as instructed.  I realized very quickly that I had the gag factor to the oil (especially ELOO) so I switched to only sugar or fructose water.  Then I realized I'm sensitive to the sugar and can feel my blood sugar getting wacky so, I had to find a way to take the oil.

Thank God for all these posts as someone came up with the idea of putting the oil (Canola is completely flavorless to me) into a .5 liter water bottle with a little bit of sugar for pleasantness.  Shake before drinking and it goes down without gagging and no sugar buzz.  Eureka!  Within 2 days of 3 T. oil with a little sugar in water and food is MUCH less interesting and even somewhat repulsive.  I still get hungry and eat what I want but, nothing sounds all that great so I'm very selective and eat less when I do eat.

It reminds me of when I was pregnant with my son, hungry but, can't decide what I want because nothing sounds good.  The hormones completely take over during that process and that's what it's like.  Something other and bigger than me is helping me.

It was a relief for me while pregnant and it's a relief for me now.  I'm so grateful to Seth Roberts and all the folks who have posted here for ideas, support and even what doesn't work.  I gained a few pounds while experimenting with the sugar but those quickly left when switching to the oil.  I just want everyone to know that, even the yo-yo dieters and emotional eaters can find relief with this method.  It works!

I'll continue to post as time goes by and update my weightloss.  Because of what I had gained, I'm back to my 15 pound loss.  I'm convinced that will change very soon.
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: Victoria on May 19, 2006, 01:58:10 PM
Hey, Terry, shake hands with your dieting twin sister!  I am 49, 5'8", and right now 198.6 (down via lowcarbing from a high of 212 last fall).  Your weight history mirrors mine exactly, as does your description of the feeling this diet causes.  I feel a little hungry, look in the fridge, and don't care to eat.  I love it.

Best of luck to you on your journey through Shangri La :D
Title: Terry's Progress, Update
Post by: terry on May 22, 2006, 04:19:36 PM
My appetite is still mostly suppressed most of the time.  But, I'm noticing a strange feeling after taking my second dose of oil.  I start to feel somewhat shaky and a little disoriented like I haven't eaten enough.  Anyone else experiencing this?  Calorie-wise, I'm eating enough especially with the oil calories but, I still feel funny.  It doesn't go away until I've had my next meal.

Thoughts?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: Calsunshine on May 23, 2006, 05:42:15 PM
Hi, Terry
I felt that way this afternoon when I took my oil.  After the hour was up I had a small snack of yogurt and feel better now.
Good luck!
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: terry on May 24, 2006, 09:06:26 AM
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one.  The past day or two, I've been trying to eat a little bit more for lunch.  It hasn't happened, since.  Perhaps I really wasn't eating enough and was having the normal effects of that.

Good luck to you, too, Calsunshine!
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: terry on May 26, 2006, 10:16:20 AM
Today I'm a little discouraged.  It seems like I don't get the same appetite suppressing results day-to-day even when my dose stays the same.  I started 3 weeks ago with sugar water the first week then, switched to oil the last two weeks.  Some days I really feel the effects and other days, not so much.  On the not-so-much days, I eat normally, which is probably more than I should eat for my height.

I'm up a pound this morning  :?

I wonder if it has anything to do with the 15 pounds I quickly lost just before starting SLD?  When I started SLD, I began eating what I wanted instead of what I thought I should eat (between 1200-1800 cals. per day, mostly low glycemic).  At first I gained a few pounds, lost those, then gained this last pound back.  I'm considering giving up and going back on my food plan from before SLD.

Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: Seth Roberts on May 26, 2006, 10:31:13 AM
I wouldn't worry abou the calories per day. But if you switch from low glycemic to high glycemic at the same time you start SLD, the diet will be less effective than if you had stayed with low glycemic.
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: terry on May 31, 2006, 03:19:23 PM
I got discouraged last week due to the changing tides of my appetite.  As I stated, some days the oil/sugar seems to dash my appetite but, the next day, it's right back even though I keep everything the same with my doses.

Last Saturday, I stopped the method altogether as I seemed to be gaining from drinking all the oil.  Sunday, Monday, Tuesday I've been ravenous.  So today, Wednesday, I'm back on.  I've taken one dose and definitely feel the effects already.  I'm not sure why it seems like it works better some days and not others but, I guess some days of less appetite is better then ravenous every day.  I'm afraid to get on the scale as I'm sure I'm up a few pounds.  I'll weigh on the weekend when I've had a few more light eating days, he-he!

The method does work.  I can feel a change within a few hours.  I just can't understand why it won't stay with me day-after-day.  I'll keep posting if it helps others.

Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: Seth Roberts on May 31, 2006, 05:16:05 PM
The oil lowers your set point. Not forever, not to zero; just to a new lower value. That's what reduces your appetite. When your weight gets down to your new set point, your appetite will return. And if you want to lower your set point more you need to turn to the Extra Credit chapter.

That being said, I don't think you will have gotten the maximum effect of the oil in a few weeks. My guess is that it will keep lowering your set point for months.
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: terry on June 01, 2006, 10:26:00 AM
Thanks, Seth.  I'll keep going.  It's obvious it IS working to reduce my appetite.  Maybe the appetite suppression will get more regular as time goes by.  I tend to be quick to judge.  I'll let the oil do it's work for a couple of months before I make further assessments and continue to keep posting my results.

It was great hearing you on Dennis Prager's Radio Show.  Thanks for all your hard work.

Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: rick on June 05, 2006, 02:04:42 PM
Has Dennis Prager spoken of the diet lately? :?:  I wonder how successful he has been with it...
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: terry on June 07, 2006, 03:06:55 PM

The original show aired around the second week in May.  I heard it as a repeat not long after, as well.  I have heard Dennis Prager briefly mention it since then but, not to the extent that he has talked about his personal progress.  He had already been doing the method for sometime before the original airing and he strongly believed in the method and was very interested in the scientific thought behind it.  You can look on if you're interested in downloading the talk show.  He's one of my personal hero's for truth and clear thinking.

Good luck, t.
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: splitbamboo on June 07, 2006, 03:58:19 PM
I keep wondering about people holding on to this. It's nice to hear Stephen M. going strong. I wonder about some posters to this forum that were very active a few weeks ago--are they just doin it and it is just working or...
Title: Re: Terry's Progress, finally losing
Post by: terry on June 09, 2006, 11:06:00 AM
I'm finally down another few pounds after struggling and regaining a few.   :P  And this has come without hunger, just a little tweeking and some soul searching.

After reading several other posts, especially Sarah's, I've finally realized with all my food/weight/body image issues, just suppressing my appetite isn't ALL I need to do.  I still need to try to eat well.  The method works.  It's just that I'm such a compulsive overeater, I still need to use some will power, good sense, etc., to adhere to the fact that I'm not as hungry.  It's taking me some time to adjust to my smaller portions without getting paranoid that I'm not going to starve with so little food.  As a security blanket, I keep a small bag of nuts with me wherever I go.  I've hardly indulged.

It's such a relearning process.  I went through a sad period of having to say good-bye to overeating.  It's been such a comfort over the years.  Now, it's not there.  I feel like someone who couldn't walk without using crutches.  Suddenly, I can walk without them but, I feel insecure and a little lost.  Like, now what?

I'm thrilled but, scared at the same time.  Again, thanks to all of you for your posts.  You keep me going.

Title: Re: Terry's Progress, HELP!
Post by: terry on June 23, 2006, 12:13:34 PM
Frustrated again.  I have been faithfully taking between 200-400 calories of oil or sugar water since May with the exception of a 2-3 day hiatus.  My appetite does seem somewhat suppressed as was proved to me during that short hiatus.  However, I seem to easily be able to override the effects most times, if I choose.  I have had two or three experiences of what others talk about, not being able to eat another bite after just a few bites and staying full for hours afterward.  But most times, I feel the same as before SLD, still having to use will power and other means to distract myself from overeating.  I am still fluctuating between the same 2-3 pounds.  Aack!  I wish that feeling of control would stay with me like others describe!  I've felt it, I just don't know how to keep it.

After I experience that wonderful SLD effect, I try the same exact thing the next day and it doesn't work the same.  I've read posts about switching things up so, I've tried raising my calorie dose, lowering my calorie dose, switching between oil and sugar water, staying with one for several days, and every combination I can think of.  The effect just doesn't seem to stay.

Anyone else having this problem?
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: pupster on June 23, 2006, 01:01:59 PM
I am having the same type of problem.  I started out taking 4tbsp ELOO and didn't feel the appetite suppression so much, but had the deep sleep and waking up rested and energized.  But I wasn't losing weight, so I switched to 4tbsp of the sugar water and it just made me hungry.  So I switched to 2tbsp grapeseed oil.  Now I am taking 2 tbsp grapeseed oil either in the middle of the night or when I first wake up, and 1tbsp ELOO at 3:00pm.  I have only been doing this the last couple of days.  But I first started taking the oil May 30th.  I would at least like to get the sleep back - at least then I felt I was getting some kind of benefit. 

But I think I have been switching around too much, having ditto foods, and while watching how much I eat, I haven't been paying too much attention to what I eat.  Although I generally eat a healthy diet, I'm sure I've been having too much of high-calorie foods.

I do plan on hanging in there for a while and change only one thing at a time, so I can keep better track.  But it is frustrating hearing all these testimonials.  As one poster said, for every "AHA!" there is at least 1 lurker wondering why it's not working for them...
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: CarolS on June 23, 2006, 04:55:24 PM
Have either of you read the book?  Just wondering because I am struggling with the same thing.  One day no problem next really hungry.  It appears from reading the book I am eating too much snacky food.  I can eat snacky food all day - chococate, chips, energy bars, whatever - it tastes the same every time and it makes me want more. 

So I still have too much snacky food in the house, but will shop differently from now on and buy in small quantities.  Also will try the crazy spicing and bland foods.  Actually looking forward to getting out of the rut of eating junk food every day.  I didn't that would be possible, but with the oil/sugar thing, it is.

So hang in there and try to find what works for you.
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: terry on June 23, 2006, 05:24:43 PM
"Have either of you read the book?  Just wondering because I am struggling with the same thing.  One day no problem next really hungry.  It appears from reading the book I am eating too much snacky food.  I can eat snacky food all day - chococate, chips, energy bars, whatever - it tastes the same every time and it makes me want more."

Yes, Skinnycas.  I bought and read the book cover-to-cover after hearing Seth on Dennis Prager's radio show.  I've been doing the method (after reading the book) since May 14 except for those few days I posted about above.  I try different foods more than I use to and I do cook at home alot.  However, the amazing feeling of not wanting food AT ALL is what alot of the others talk about and what I've experienced those few times.  I'm just trying to figure out how to keep it!

Help, anyone?
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: frenata on June 24, 2006, 05:21:05 AM
Help, anyone?

I don't know if this is really help, but I'd like to make an observation here. It's not natural not to want anything. In fact, it's not pleasant. We usually lead ourselves through a day from one want to another; from a cup of coffee to a muffin to lunch to a cookie. Fulfilling a want is hugely pleasurable. Having no wants robs life of this pleasure.

There was a woman who posted here a few days ago, remember? She thought we'd all be envious of her because she's disliked or been indifferent to food all her life. Me, I felt sorry for her (skinny though she may be). She's never known the nearly obscene joy of a slathering a layer of cold butter on hot banana bread, or having her coffee with double cream, or a proper lazy Sunday breakfast fry up. Food is delight.

So here we have a simple mechanism to turn off appetite. Now what? What do we look forward to? How do we reward ourselves for mopping the kitchen floor? What little pleasures do we have to take the place of food?

I'm enormously grateful for this diet, and astonished at how easy it is. I like the side benefits and the fact that I'm enjoying different foods than I used to. It's going to take a long time to lose anywhere near the amount of weight I need to, and I'm okay with that. I'm more than okay, I'm thrilled.

But I'm so looking forward to the day I cut it back to a maintenance dose and get back a little bit of the old hedonist me.
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: pupster on June 24, 2006, 07:56:17 AM
Hi, yes I have read the book also.  I bought it after reading a SF Chronicle article about it.

I have realized that I have get to get my mind-set around this.  And not think of food as a reward or look forward to the satisfaction of a good blend of tastes and/or textures.  I do almost all of my own cooking (in fact I love to cook, which may pose a problem).  So alot of my situation will be based on changing my behavior and not plan meals ahead of time, make too much and have leftovers, etc.

Thanks for offering all the support.
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: terry on June 26, 2006, 01:45:45 PM
Thanks, Frenata, for your words.  It is good to be reminded of these things.  I guess I REALLY want to feel that disinterest in food again.  I had a taste of it (pardon the pun) and it was so amazing to have complete rest from my food obsession for a little while that I just can't wait to feel it again.  Having it stay for long periods of time as with some others would be bliss for me.

I'm not giving up.  I will experiment more with my dose, etc.  Even if it takes months before it stays with me fairly regularly, I will persevere.

Thanks, again, for responding to my call for help.

Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: Seth Roberts on June 26, 2006, 01:51:32 PM
You might want to try crazy spiicing in addition. Crazy spice the food you consider to be too much. For example, if 1 piece of X is fine but 2 pieces are too much (more than you would prefer to eat, in the best of all possible worlds), crazy spice the 2nd piece before you eat it.
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: terry on June 29, 2006, 10:57:20 AM
Eureka!  SLD effect is back in full-force this morning.  What a relief.  I took the advice from another thread on this board and took my Canola doses yesterday as soon as I awoke and just before I went to bed.  This morning, I couldn't even finish a cup of cottage cheese and tea for breakfast.

Also, I took Seth's advice and put some seasoning on my cottage cheese this morning.  It was only season salt which I'm very familiar with so, I'm not sure if that helped but, I've never had cottage cheese and season salt, combined, so maybe it did.  I'm in the process of purchasing unfamiliar spices to change some of my ditto foods as has been suggested to me several times in my struggles.  I guess I've been unwilling to change some of my old comfort foods so was resistant to the suggestions about it in the book and on this site.  I thought, 'what's the use of eating if it's just a bunch of strange tasting stuff?' 

I love the idea that Seth and someone else suggested about crazy spicing only half my portion of whatever food I'm having.  Then, I can still have some of my comfort food exactly the way I love it but, half the portion with help reduce my set point.  Great idea!

Thanks to Seth, the wonderful people on these boards, and canola oil!  All hail Shangri-la!
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: terry on June 30, 2006, 10:39:48 AM
Another day in Shangri-la.  After 6 weeks of wondering why the effect won't stay with me, switching my dose times to early morning and just before bed seems to have strengthened the SLD effect so much that I am free from compulsive overeating for the past two days.  Either that or, after 6 weeks of being on the oil or sugar-water, the effect has finally begun to stay with me all day, everyday.  Maybe I'm like the 7-week guy in the book?

Yesterday, I was free from compulsive thoughts over food all day.  Words can't fully describe what peace and freedom this gives a person like me.  I had a few bites of cottage cheese for breakfast and a was pretty full half way through lunch (but ate the rest of my veggies and meat anyway out of the clean-plate-club habit).  By dinner, I was averagely hungry and ate an average size dinner with a yogurt for dessert.  I was full and didn't want anything else but, of course, I did take my second dose of Canola before bed.

This morning, just my coffee has made me feel completely full.  I can't even ponder food.  OMG!
And, yes, I sleep better, too.  I have always been a very light sleeper awakening many times in the night and unable to go back to sleep many nights in a row.  Although I still wake up sometimes, I wake much less and go right back to sleep and feel rested every day.

Don't give up, people!  Overeaters Anonymous has helped me with certain things over the past 10 years but, couldn't relieve my compulsive food addiction.  A little oil twice a day and food is uninteresting to me.  I actually feel like I can only imagine normal people feel about food.  For me, it's an answer to much prayer (the begging and crying type).

Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: splitbamboo on June 30, 2006, 10:47:08 AM
Thanks for the inspiring report. It is good to see someone hang on and make this work...
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: Seth Roberts on June 30, 2006, 10:51:50 AM
and for me, a data type of person, the fact that the effects took n=7 weeks to become clear is something to remember.
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: Marianna on July 26, 2006, 01:00:21 PM
Paul--mix sugar and coconut oil in its firm state together and eat--wallah, frosting.  There is a frosting thread somewhere
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: terry on July 26, 2006, 01:13:11 PM
Yes.  That thread is called, "Frosting."  I was mixing the powdered sugar and coconut oil in it's liquid state then, putting in ice cube trays and hardening in the fridge.  It makes a soft candy-like textured cube that I was eating.
Title: Re: Terry's Progress
Post by: terry on July 26, 2006, 01:18:51 PM
Yes.  That thread is called, "Frosting."  I was mixing the powdered sugar and coconut oil in it's liquid state then, putting in ice cube trays and hardening in the fridge.  It makes a soft candy-like textured cube that I was eating.

Meant to add the link:

It's called, "Frosting?"  There is also more frosting discussion under the Coconut Oil thread.