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Title: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 07, 2006, 08:47:56 PM
I've decided to post here with the progress reports.

I started on November 13, 2005.

I was a touch over 240 pounds.

I hit 188 this week, which was exciting.

[Hit 178 this morning, down ten pounds from when I started this thread]

The first month I lost 15 pounds, the next month I lost 10 pounds and it has been around 7-8 pounds a month since then.

My goal is 160.2

I started with a two liter bottle of water in which I put somewhere between half and two-thirds cup of sugar.  I'd drink a liter at 10:00 and a liter at 2:30 in the afternoon.

I started the extra light olive oil because I had times I couldn't drink the water (like when I had to go to court).

I was using only a tablespoon of olive oil, when I should have been using two tablespoons, and my control over the cravings was rocky on those times.  Seth was kind enough to point out I needed two tablespoons of oil to get the same calories I was getting with the sugar.

I switched to two tablespoons morning, two in the afternoon.

At some point (and I should have kept better track), I plateaued, and started losing weight again when I dropped it to just two tablespoons of oil.

I started a 2-3 tablespoons of sugar in water in the mornings when I got the book, but I'm not sure it makes a difference, so I'm going to drop that and just keep taking two tablespoons of oil in the afternoon.

I've been using extra light olive oil (it is like five dollars for a gallon at COSTCO or SAMS -- I've bought a couple gallons at both, who wants to run out).

Also tried sugar cubes (eat 24 -- 240 calories -- over half an hour).  Those don't seem to work quite as well.

Now I'm using grapeseed oil.  It goes down easier for me than the olive oil, which still makes me gag a little.

But it is a heck of a lot better than being so heavy.

I'm only 5'6" tall.  Suddenly I'm in trim fit shirts from Lands' End instead of XXLs and busting out of the seams.

The only unusual things I did involve some weight training to get ready for the diet (I'd been doing that for three years to build muscle mass to make it easier to lose weight) and eating a lot of yogurt on the diet -- I'm trying to make sure I get enough protien so that I don't lose strength.

But it is great, especially the changes in the way I think about food.

One thing, if you buy in bulk and use the super saver shipping at Amazon, Amazon delays shipping a couple-three days.  But if you buy in bulk, when your friends and secretary and co-workers "borrow" copies of the book, you've got more to give away.

Stephen M (Ethesis)
http://ethesis.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: Ethesis, posting here now with progress reports
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 07, 2006, 08:51:47 PM
I should note that for the first month I was very hungry, I'd wake up at night hungry, but I just didn't feel like eating.  It was really strange to react to hunger by not wanting to eat.

The hunger faded after a while, and most people don't seem to have hunger like that.

I'm hoping to make my weight target by September, but it will be close.
Title: Re: Ethesis, posting here now with progress reports
Post by: mjohnson121 on May 08, 2006, 08:14:49 AM
Stephen,

Thanks for posting your updates here. I just wanted to say thank you for all you've written about the diet and your experience (I came across your review of the diet on calorielab and then your blog when I first heard about the diet 1.5 weeks ago), it's been very encouraging and helpfull and motivating.

Thanks again and I hope you'll keep us posted! My goal weight is similar, 165 (is there any significance to the .2 in 160.2?? :)

-Mark
Title: Re: Ethesis, posting here now with progress reports
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 08, 2006, 11:00:02 AM
I've taken back up with Judo, after a long lay-out.  The weight class break is 160.2 (they went metric).  I guess that isn't obvious from the post. ;)

I used to compete at 172 when I was younger, but I always carried a bit of fat on me, though I looked ok.  160 is probably as thin as I can get and not cut into the muscle, and the change in the weight class is just perfect for me.
Title: Re: Ethesis, - 52 lbs, posting here now with progress reports
Post by: mjohnson121 on May 08, 2006, 11:19:57 AM
.2 makes sense now! :)

-Mark
Title: Re: Ethesis, - 52 lbs, posting here now with progress reports
Post by: DirkVA on May 08, 2006, 11:36:33 AM
Stephen, you're one of my new idols, since your starting-weight and mine were the same. I hope I lose as fast as you have. But then I'm 6'2", so it's unlikely that I'll get as low as 160.2, but it wouldn't be outrageous. That was my father's weight most of his life, and he was slightly taller than I am.

As far as target-weight goes, I'm going to stay teachable. After two years in Barcelona, living on a Fit For Life régime, I came down to 190. When I got back to New York, my friends asked me if I was sick. They thought I looked far too thin -- as Seth's friends had told him. But I was SO healthy at that weight. I think friends are not always reliable. They may like our old chubby (or worse) selves. We're the ones who have to live in our bodies. So if my body wants to go to 160 pounds and I'm eating well and am healthy, who am I to differ from my body's wisdom? Having my high-school weight in my fifties might be odd, but it can't be worse than carrying two bodies around as I've been doing!
Title: Re: Ethesis, - 52 lbs, posting here now with progress reports
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 08, 2006, 08:10:51 PM
Stephen, you're one of my new idols, since your starting-weight and mine were the same. I hope I lose as fast as you have. But then I'm 6'2", so it's unlikely that I'll get as low as 160.2, but it wouldn't be outrageous. That was my father's weight most of his life, and he was slightly taller than I am.

As far as target-weight goes, I'm going to stay teachable. After two years in Barcelona, living on a Fit For Life régime, I came down to 190. When I got back to New York, my friends asked me if I was sick. They thought I looked far too thin -- as Seth's friends had told him. But I was SO healthy at that weight. I think friends are not always reliable. They may like our old chubby (or worse) selves. We're the ones who have to live in our bodies. So if my body wants to go to 160 pounds and I'm eating well and am healthy, who am I to differ from my body's wisdom? Having my high-school weight in my fifties might be odd, but it can't be worse than carrying two bodies around as I've been doing!

A lot of people are a litte co-dependent without realizing it, and many will take weight loss as a personal sermond delivered to them, when it isn't.

I've always wanted to be 6'+ ... (I'm 5'6") ;)

Title: Re: Ethesis, - 52 lbs, posting here now with progress reports
Post by: DirkVA on May 08, 2006, 09:17:29 PM
But, Stephen, you're tall in my book!
Title: Re: Ethesis, - 52 lbs, posting here now with progress reports
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 09, 2006, 11:01:24 AM
But, Stephen, you're tall in my book!

Thanks.  I am also a pound lighter as of this morning.

And very glad I did not get bariatric surgery.

Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 13, 2006, 08:31:32 AM
I've found that my weekly weight now has a cycle.  Every Tuesday I wake up with what will be my weight on Sunday (often a good deal lower than Sunday of that week).  Then it floats up a little through Friday, drops off Saturday and hits it on Sunday.  If I'm on my baseline foods ( http://ethesis.blogspot.com/2006/05/what-i-eat-on-shangri-la-diet.html ) I fluctuate less, if I eat something with a lot of salt, more.  I'm really tempted to start weighing in only on Sunday mornings.  8)

It is interesting to read other people who at first felt a good deal of hunger, but no inclination to eat.  I was at the same place the first month or so, sometimes I'd wake up in the middle of the night from hunger pains.  But I had no desire to eat.

Gave away more books today.  Got some more positive feedback.  Brought 2 liters of ELOO to the office for people who were having trouble finding it.

Some strange points:  the muscle mass I put on has shown up in the change of weight/size.  Used to be I had to be at 172 or less ot fit into the clothes I put on this week at 186.  I saved a suit from more than 20 years ago, could wear it this morning.  My wife is pleased.  ;)

But I hit plateaus from time to time, the big one was at about 20-25 pounds, lasted about a week or so.  Everyone seems to hit that one.  But it goes away.  Other plateaus come and go (though on my current cycle, it looks like I plateau for five days every week and then lose the weight every Sunday.  I know, that isn't what is happening, I've got a weekly water loss cycle going).

I need to post about meogenic lifting sometime too.  Once a week on the weights, I'm amazed at what an improvement it is over what I did as a kid.

 

Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: mjohnson121 on May 13, 2006, 08:38:51 AM
Thanks for the update. You are the poster child for this diet! :)

Anyways, as far as your weight fluctuating throughout the week, one idea I read on an entirely different forum that one gentleman uses is he weigh's himself everyday but calculates his current weight using a moving 3 day average, thus "smooting out" the results. I think thats kind of a good idea, as even a particular Sunday might be a blip up or down vs. reality.

-Mark
Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: Allison717 on May 13, 2006, 08:41:32 AM
I need to post about meogenic lifting sometime too.  Once a week on the weights, I'm amazed at what an improvement it is over what I did as a kid.

Please do post on this -- lifting twice per week seems to be plenty for my frame (I gain muscle easily), but lately I'm struggling to even make it to the Y once.  I'd love to learn what it is you're doing that makes 1x/week productive!
Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: joyful on May 13, 2006, 09:06:42 AM
Thanks for the inspiration, Stephen. 

I have had the hunger-sensation as well....feeling hungry but not necessarily feeling the need to eat.  New sensation!
Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 13, 2006, 09:41:33 AM
I need to post about meogenic lifting sometime too.  Once a week on the weights, I'm amazed at what an improvement it is over what I did as a kid.

Please do post on this -- lifting twice per week seems to be plenty for my frame (I gain muscle easily), but lately I'm struggling to even make it to the Y once.  I'd love to learn what it is you're doing that makes 1x/week productive!

http://www.asep.org/jeponline/issue/Doc/Dec2004/Smith.pdf

That is the paper on it.

Bottom line, I lift up with a two count, but I do the negative in a four second count (one thousand one, one thousand two, one thousand three, one thousand four, spoken and timed).  I do one set of each exercise, 8-12 reps, once a week, except I'm doing a torso twist exercise twice a week (the one muscle group research shows responds better to twice a week rather than once a week) and my shoulder raise twice a week (until I hit stride, I'm only on 60 lbs there, while I'm at 180-280 pounds iwth the other exercises, just started the shoulders after recovering from an injury).

Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 14, 2006, 06:57:52 AM
185 this morning, 55 real pounds lost.

Some comments about headaches.

<i>No, I didn't have any headaches. Some of the headaches caused by doing this diet seem to be due to reduced caffeine intake. Could that explain yours?

Another possibility is that undigested oil is getting into your blood and going into your brain. If so, the headaches should go away as you develop more of the necessary enzymes to digest the oil. As you digest the oil better, in other words. The solution would be to start with much smaller amounts of oil.</i>

My suggestion is to break the oil into two episodes rather than just once a day if you are getting headaches and see how that  helps.

<i>one tablespoon of sugar</i>

Lots of people seem to be starting with too little sugar or oil.  The right amount seems to make all the difference ... ;)

Finally, consistency really seems to help.

Well, I'm off to go run some more.  Now that I've lost some weight, I can do that.

It is a wonderful morning.
Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: digbyde on May 14, 2006, 09:59:10 AM
If the oil is hard to get down, try drinking it through a straw--even easier if you put it in some water. I could get my children to take medicine this way.
Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: Leftblanc on May 14, 2006, 01:29:08 PM
wow. a straw. that's brilliant. I have been struggling with the messy aspects of a
measuring spoon and a bottle of oil in my desk drawer at work....a straw might just do
the trick if I can figure out how many pulls on a straw equals a tablespoon.
Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: digbyde on May 14, 2006, 04:38:37 PM
Measuring would be the way to do it. I imagine I could get a tablespoon easily by two drinkgs/pulls on the straw.
Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 14, 2006, 05:38:58 PM
wow. a straw. that's brilliant. I have been struggling with the messy aspects of a
measuring spoon and a bottle of oil in my desk drawer at work....a straw might just do
the trick if I can figure out how many pulls on a straw equals a tablespoon.

Put two tablespoons in a shot glass and such it out of the shot glass with the straw.
Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 14, 2006, 06:11:08 PM
BTW:

Quote
This
Week       Weeks
On List
1    YOU: THE OWNER'S MANUAL, by Michael F. Roizen and Mehmet C. Oz. (HarperResource, $24.95.) A guide to how the body works.    29
2    CESAR'S WAY, by Cesar Millan with Melissa Jo Peltier. (Harmony, $24.95.) The star of the television show "Dog Whisperer" offers insight into canine psychology and help solving problems.    5
3    GIADA'S FAMILY DINNERS, by Giada de Laurentiis. (Potter, $32.50.) Italian-style recipes as well as menus for special occasions from the Food Network host.    5
4    MAMA MADE THE DIFFERENCE, by T.D. Jakes. (Putnam, $19.95.) A tribute to mothers from the pastor of a 28,000-member congregation in Dallas.    1
5    THE PURPOSE-DRIVEN LIFE, by Rick Warren. (Zondervan, $19.99.) The meaning of life through God. (†)    173
Also Selling
6    MORE NATURAL CURES REVEALED, by Kevin Trudeau (Alliance Publishing Group)
7    YOUR BEST LIFE NOW, by Joel Osteen (Warner Faith)
8    LOOK GREAT, FEEL GREAT, by Joyce Meyer (Warner Faith)
9    IF YOU COULD SEE WHAT I SEE, by Sylvia Browne (Hay House)
10    THE SHANGRI-LA DIET, by Seth Roberts (Putnam)
11    NOW, DISCOVER YOUR STRENGTHS, by Marcus Buckingham and Donald O. Clifton (Free Press)
12    NATURAL CURES "THEY" DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT, by Kevin Trudeau (Alliance Publishing Group)
13    THE SONOMA DIET, by Connie Guttersen (Meredith)
14    REAL MONEY, by James J. Cramer (Simon & Schuster)
15    WHO MOVED MY CHEESE?, by Spencer Johnson (Putnam)
Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 14, 2006, 06:30:25 PM
BTW:

Start November 13 at 240 lbs or so (maybe a little more)

Today, May 14, 185 lbs.  Exact (185.5 after breakfast).  Well hydrated real weight.

55 lbs lost so far.

http://www.sethroberts.net/stories/index.html and scroll to the bottom.  Even has a graph with data points through May 6th.

http://www.sethroberts.net/stories/2006-04-30_StephenM.pdf for my story.  Before and "during" pictures to follow shortly (I put during since I intend to lose more weight).  My waist used to be a 44 or so, now I'm wearing a pair of 34 inch shorts my wife bought me yesterday because the 36 inch shorts are getting baggy.  It is fun.
Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: digbyde on May 15, 2006, 07:19:09 AM
What is the list from that SR is #10 on? NYTimes Book Review?
Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 15, 2006, 10:28:03 AM
What is the list from that SR is #10 on? NYTimes Book Review?

NY Times Non-fiction Advice, etc., where the diet books are.

It is the number one diet book.
Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 16, 2006, 11:12:00 AM

BTW, if you have a Shangri-la blog, you ought to make sure to get it into the ecosystem:

http://truthlaidbear.com/amember/signup.php

Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 17, 2006, 04:55:19 AM
184.0 pounds this morning. 

-56 lbs.

My wife is set to buy me another round of new pants ;)
Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: DirkVA on May 17, 2006, 06:08:26 PM
Stephen, you really ARE the poster-child.
Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 17, 2006, 08:02:38 PM
Stephen, you really ARE the poster-child.

No, the guys who lost more than a hundred pounds and have kept it off for more than a year, they are the leaders of the pack, I'm just following.

There are a number of people out there who have lost as much as I have or more, but I'm the only one talking about it much.  Most people just lose weight and don't have much to say after the excitement wears off.  It is a "rinse and repeat" sort of process.

Neat, seems earth-shattering at first, then it kind of just becomes normal, fades into the background.

After all, there isn't any willpower involved, no struggle, no emotional tension from the struggle to lose weight.  Just adjusting to the reality of the diet and going forward from there.
Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: Ann H on May 17, 2006, 11:40:47 PM
Hey, Stephen, how many women have you come across in your reading who've lost as well as you or better on SLD?

From our last posts, Molly and I are still losing, but it seems slow and uneven. Nowhere near as fast as some of you who happen to be male. I'd love to hear of any women who've lost more than 20-21 pounds (where I am) on SLD.

Ann H
Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: leloo on May 18, 2006, 03:18:34 AM
I'm nearly to 20 lbs... and it's been rather quick. I've had the "oops, when did I last eat" happen a few times so far, and while I'm not looking to lose 100lbs, I'm still in a state of shock about how quickly the pounds are shedding - but it's been pretty steady.

My regimen has been ~2 Tablespoons sugar water 1x per day, 1 "main" meal, healthy(ish) snacks throughout the day, and lots of water. Work out when I can, so far this week it's been elliptical for 20m total, ab-lounger for approx 50 situps, a power walk for 2 miles, and a rousing game of ping-pong which required me to go chase after the ball a lot.

Of course, I don't have much time to think about it right now, since I'm in the midst of planning a wedding ;)

Leloo

I've also been following Stephen's progress for a bit - one of the main reasons why I bought the book was because of you, Stephen!
Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 18, 2006, 04:34:34 AM
Hey, Stephen, how many women have you come across in your reading who've lost as well as you or better on SLD?

From our last posts, Molly and I are still losing, but it seems slow and uneven. Nowhere near as fast as some of you who happen to be male. I'd love to hear of any women who've lost more than 20-21 pounds (where I am) on SLD.

Ann H

I've actually been hoping someone could start a thread for women who have lost fifteen or more pounds to report to.

I would note that my weight loss has not been even.  I had a three week stretch where I lost only half a pound to a pound a week.  That was followed by two weeks at three pounds each.  This week looks like a pound and a half.  I'm eating close to the same things every day, as I've pretty much quit eating out.  My exercise routine is not as stable as I would like, but I can finally run again.

Weight loss seems to be tied to muscle mass over all.  I am fairly muscular for my height.   While I'm now into 34 inch pants, my chest measures 44" and my calves are at 17" -- though at 184.0 I'm still too heavy for my 5'6" height (I shrank a little when I was heavier, to about 5'5" and I'm slowly expanding back out to my earlier height).  When doing stretches I can see and feel the fat.

I'm also lucky in that I've got very tight skin, though the fat is getting pretty loose (I'm much more aware of it now, than when I was heavier).

But exercise and muscle mass put some limits.  No exercise, no muscle mass, you are going to lose weight very slowly.  Not comfortable with being thinner?  You are going to taper off on the weight loss.  I've dealt with some people who decided, when they realized the diet was working, that maybe they did not want to be thin after all, for various reasons.

But, I think the key is consistent, continual, weight loss.  For most of us, the weight didn't come on in surges, and your body is going to deal with it better if it comes off smoothly.  At least I think so.  Though as i get closer to September, where I've got a tournament I want to enter at 160, I may very well chicken out and go to a protien modified fast for a month if I'm not on target.

This is getting long, but on exercise, when i started, walking was something I could do for short periods of time and short distances.  Now I'm doing walk/runs for much more distance in much shorter periods of time.  Judo was out of the question when i started, now I enjoy it and am excited about it.  I'm also stretching.

Which, if you get the Wharton's Stretch Book, you can do aerobic stretching.  I really need it, since I'm pretty tight (it isn't just the skin that is tight on me).

I've rambled on.  My guess is that your loss of twenty pounds is equal to what would be sixty pounds for a guy.  Patience and consistency, over time, ought to get you where you are going, and I'm impressed for you.

Best,

Stephen
Title: Re: Ethesis, plateaus, progress reports, etc.
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 18, 2006, 04:31:20 PM

Today was neat.  I was at a class, they had a morning buffet and an afternoon buffet.  The morning one I skipped, though I had some at lunch.  I hit my calorie limit quickly, to where my appetite turned off.  Of course the food had new flavors, but I suspect it was more calorie dense than I expected.  When the afternoon buffet came up, I could only regret I hadn't waited to eat until 2:00 instead of 12:00.  I just didn't feel like eating.

Ran into a friend I hadn't seen.  We both had hard times recognizing each other.  I'd lost 56 pounds, he'd lost eighty and then regained thirty and was really feeling desperate.  He could tell I wasn't eating because the food because I didn't feel like it.  He's starting the diet tomorrow morning, and is excited about it.

Also talked with a co-worker.  We walked for forty minutes at lunch.  He is really heavy, but his weight has been the same, within one pound, for seven-eight years, no matter what he has done.  He plans to start the diet even though his wife thinks it is silly.

Finally, some of my wife's co-workers started up on the diet.  That was kind of neat, one read my review on Amazon and remarked to my wife it was well written.  She decided to look, and likes it too.

Anyway, a good day.

Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 18, 2006, 07:31:38 PM
Weights went really well.

Before the diet, at the end, my heart rate would be about 140 on the bike.  Now it is 104.

Great day.
Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: Ann H on May 18, 2006, 10:00:03 PM
Hey, Stephen, just wondering: you still mostly eating PB & J? (Or was that someone else?)

Ann H
Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 19, 2006, 05:00:51 AM
Hey, Stephen, just wondering: you still mostly eating PB & J? (Or was that someone else?)

Ann H

I ate PB&J with the yogurt for about four months.  Recently switched to lunch meat.  I was only using a half teaspoon of PB and about a teaspoon of jelly on each sandwich.  I had a couple this last week for old times sake.  Hmm, that week I lost three pounds, this week I'll lose two.  Maybe I should go back ;)

I'm amazed at how long the little jars of jelly lasted me once I quit using quite so much.  The PB seems to last forever as well (though my six-year-old loves PB&J sandwiches too).

I have two slices of bread with about 70 calories of stuff to go with it, though the lunch meat seems to have more protien.  The real reason I switches is that I started eating a lot of various flavored wheat breads.  When I was a kid I ate PB&J with whole wheat, but I got out of that as an adult.

Hope that answers the question.

But they make a quick, easy lunch.  Yogurt in a glass (we got a bunch of cheap goblets at the local market that we are using for drinking glasses and I use them for my fat free yogurt -- I like the flavor) and a sandwich is fast, easy and I eat it twice a day, most days.
Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: DirkVA on May 19, 2006, 09:08:33 AM
So, Stephen, you feel that you're overcoming the ditto effect of that very repetitious eating?

I'm finding the zeal for constant variety to be the only difficult part of this way of eating.
Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: mjohnson121 on May 19, 2006, 11:20:18 AM
DirkVA,

The way I understand it, the constant variety is just ONE of the options...it doesn't HAVE TO be practiced in ADDITION to the oil/SW...it can be done INSTEAD of (much harder) or in addition to, the oil/sw but not by necessity. It's just another way to help.

-Mark
Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 19, 2006, 03:09:08 PM
So, Stephen, you feel that you're overcoming the ditto effect of that very repetitious eating?

I'm finding the zeal for constant variety to be the only difficult part of this way of eating.

When I have more time, I'll get away from the ditto effect.

Not that I don't have lots of subtle variations.

I blend various non-fat yogurts.  I buy a different brand of bread and a different type on ever visit to the store.  I buy whatever orange juice is on sale (at an inch or so of juice for breakfast, if my daughter's friends don't get into it, it ends up going bad before I finish a container).

But, yes, it overcomes the ditto effect nicely.
Title: Great encounter
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 19, 2006, 03:14:44 PM
Had a great discussion today.

I explained the diet to a friend I hadn't seen at a while (we ran into each other at CLE).  He started this morning, noticed an immediate dramatic effect, bought the book last night after some web searching.  Took the copy I brought for him today and started reading it, plans to pass it along to his brother tonight, expects his copy to arrive tomorrow, is going to buy a bunch of them to give away, and was explaining the diet to other people at lunch.

It was neat to see him go from desperation yesterday to full of hope and energy today.

I have to admit that one very good thing about the diet is that many people feel immediate verification.  He's on 4 tablespoons right after he wakes up, then don't brush your teeth for an hour.  I warned him to watch his protien so he gets enough, use less oil if his appetite drops off too much.  But I'm excited for him.

Also told him the "pour your oil into a cup of water and drink it down" trick which I learned on these forums and tried for the first time yesterday.  It worked very well for getting the oil down without tasting it and without delays.  It is a very neat trick.

I'm going to use it again tomorrow.

A great day.

Title: getting ready to shift directions
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 21, 2006, 06:13:45 AM
This last week I started walking a bit more and a bit more serioously.  Averaged about five miles a day.

I'm about to make another shift.

I'm going to start each day with about 210 calories in protien (starting with Any Whey, but I expect to vary the protien types in order to avoid too much flavor identification) as flavorless calories in the place of breakfast.  Then I'll do two tablespoons of mixed oil (grapeseed and extra light olive oil).

A sandwich or yogurt for lunch and the opposit for dinner.  The protien will replace my two egg/ two dry toast breakfast, and I'll be splitting one meal over two settings rather than having a sandwich and yogurt for both lunch and dinner.  As long as I use lunchmeat (about 60-75 calories worth) I'll get enough protien.  I'm still taking the vitamins, etc.

I'll see how that goes for the next week or so.  I'm very serious about wanting to make 160 by September, while not losing any strength.

My weight lifting continiues to show improvement.  A myogenic program takes only one solid workout, and one five minute workout a week.  http://www.asep.org/jeponline/issue/Doc/Dec2004/Smith.pdf explains the concept.  Especially since I managed to inflame my rotator cuffs with bag work (I'd never used a heavy bag, the trainer that showed me how, didn't do it right) and quit working my shoulders while the rest of my body got much stronger ... I have a lot of ground to cover by September.

Anyway, that is the change I'm making.  I'll comment on it and do more updates.

Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: mjohnson121 on May 21, 2006, 06:22:10 AM
You might want to try drinking the Anywhey through a straw (as recommended by some for the oil) to help  reduce taste. I purchased some straws yesterday but haven't yet actually tried it myself with the anywhey, but plan to today or tomorrow.

Looking forward to hearing how the protein works for you.

-Mark
Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 21, 2006, 06:32:47 AM
Thanks, I've got straws, I'll try that when the AnyWhey comes in.
Title: On a plateau for the last week.
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 21, 2006, 02:31:29 PM
Thanks, I've got straws, I'll try that when the AnyWhey comes in.

I'll also note that I really increased my miles done in walking and running this week.  Food intake stayed the same.

Net result?  Weight did not budge,  In my experience, that will take until next week to start happening.

Though my feet are sore (between 5.5 and 3.5 miles every day).
Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: Denise on May 23, 2006, 12:10:20 AM
Shouldn't you put a blurb on the four weeks or more board?  Just so someone does!
Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: bekel on May 23, 2006, 12:46:58 AM
This thread could be moved there--I moderate at a vB board and we move posts all the time through the admin panel. I assume Seth is the sole admin/mod at this point--you might want to ask him to move it.
Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 23, 2006, 03:50:49 AM
Shouldn't you put a blurb on the four weeks or more board?  Just so someone does!

Guess I will, that board is new ;)

183.5 this morning, started using whey protien for flavorless calories at 5:30 a.m. (I risnse my mouth, but will hold off brushing my teeth until 6:30 a.m.).

I was surprised at how little flavor there was.

While waiting for my order of Any Whey I dropped into a sports store (bodybuilding stuff).  I've got this huge jar and I'm looking at it realizing I'm not sure what brand it is.  All it has is advertising (e.g. "America's #1 Protein since 1993" and "America's #1 Protein Designer Protein Whey" "New & Improved" "Natural").  I'll see how this works. 

I'll have to wander over to the other board and post as well, thanks for the pointer.
Title: Ethesis, 240+ start, 183 this morning May 27, 2006
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 23, 2006, 04:26:29 AM
Ok, I typed up a long post at the child board:

http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?topic=492.0

probably more details and comments than anyone wanted to know.

And I skipped lots.

I started on sugar water.  Two liters of water, 2/3 cup of sugar, drunk half in the morning and half in the afternoon.

I switched out a tablespoon of oil for a liter of water when I was going to be out of the office.  Talked with Seth and found out that I needed two tablespoons of oil.

Before long, I switched to only the extra-light olive oil.  I bought a bunch in bulk at SAMS and Costco (I was worried I might run out, gee, I didn't realize quite how long a huge bottle would last).  I've started adding grapeseed oil.  I'd originally bought it to add a different flavor to my eggs when I fried them.  It didn't work that well to fry them (you need a lot more oil than you need butter to keep them from sticking), but it had no flavor at all, so I tried it, then I tried blending it with the olive oil.

Ordered some in bulk over the internet.  Pricewise, with shipping costs, it is close to just buying it at Tom Thumb or Central Market.

I just decided to try the whey, with oil later in the day.  I like the way the oil makes my hair soft (I know, everyone has that reaction to the oil).  I'm using the whey to keep my protien levels up while cutting back on my calories/food.

I used to be very fat, but the fat was pretty solid.  Now it is very soft and I actually get back pain from it that I wasn't getting before.  I find a tight belt for some support helps a lot in that regard.  As I lose weight through this stretch, the amount of back pain really drops as well.

Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 24, 2006, 03:33:31 AM
I've started with Whey protien, as soon as I wake up, wait an hour to brush my teeth.  I'm wondering if the bad taste of morning breath will start to count as flavor or not, but the whey needs to be taken with a fair amount of water, so I want to use it early on in the day.  Right now that means 5:30 or so.

The brand I got seems to be pretty flavorless.  I'm wondering how it will compare to AnyWhey (which is in the mail to me).  I plan to try this for a month or so (until the protien starts to run low) to see how it works.  I'm back to 400 calories a day of flavorless calories, attempting to move my weight loss to a more steady amount, after a plateau for a week or so.

Will report back.
Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: mjohnson121 on May 24, 2006, 06:43:34 AM
Can you tell us what protein brand/flavor you're using now? Is it palatable? The AnyWhey makes me gag after nearly a full glass (and only 70 calories!).

thanks,

-Mark
Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: Gregg on May 24, 2006, 09:12:49 AM
Congrats, Stephen!  You've already surpassed my goal of 55 pounds.  Quite inspiring.
Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 24, 2006, 12:52:11 PM
Can you tell us what protein brand/flavor you're using now? Is it palatable? The AnyWhey makes me gag after nearly a full glass (and only 70 calories!).

thanks,

-Mark

I need to look more on the can.  Mostly all it says its stuff that looks like advertising, but there is an url, I'll take another look at it tonight.

I take 2.5 scoops (at 90 calories per scoop) and mix with about 24 ounces of water, and it goes right down.

Sounds like I might not be as pleased with AnyWhey when it gets here.  Ah well.

Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 24, 2006, 04:08:09 PM
In a message dated 5/24/2006 12:47:05 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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Steven,

Are you deliberately modifying your eating habits in any other way besides taking the oil, whey, and so forth?  I was just curious as to whether you were also skipping meals or anything like that. The diet seemed to work best for me when I ate one meal a day, namely lunch.  Michael, who had some of the best results in Seth's book, also skipped dinner.

I really appreciate your posts in various places. I think you've helped a lot of people with them.

My reply:

I've tried some additional modifications recently.

I now take whey protein at about 5:30 a.m.

skip breakfast, have oil or sugar cubes at about 10:00 a.m.

Eat lunch (usually a sandwich).

Eat dinner (usually yogurt).

Today I had a sandwich and yogurt for lunch, some yogurt for dinner.

I had been eating three meals a day for the last 56 pounds, but I've hit a plateau for the last week or so (very slow weight loss again), so I'm changing up.

Before the plateau, I was eating as follows:

2 eggs, 2 slices dry toast, 2-3 ounces of orange juice for breakfast

sandwich and yogurt for lunch.

sandwich and yogurt for dinner.

(both sandwiches were dry, just bread and lunch meat or peanut butter and jelly, about 70 calories of filling in the sandwich, the yogurt was fat free plain, with a quarter cup of sugar).

I've only tried the change for two days (today is the second).  Let me get into next week and I'll know a lot more.

The whey is great because I get 47 grams of protien with it.  That frees me up to eat anything else in the day without having to worry about getting enough protien. 

I'm still working out a transition, because I want to lose about 24 pounds between now and September 1st.  We will see if I make it.


Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 25, 2006, 10:45:32 AM
Quote from: redacted
I have enjoyed your posts and encouragement. I have just one question:

Why do you sign your name Stephen M (Ethesis)??

If you do a search for Ethesis, you will find that Ethesis is my screen name from a very, very long time ago. I'm involved in a number of places where we use real names, so I go by Stephen (except there are a lot of Stephens and Steves so I go by Stephen M) and to keep my identity consistent, I use the (Ethesis) in parens so people know it is me.  I just sign my name the same, wherever I'm at these days.

;)



Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 27, 2006, 07:00:54 AM
Two updates.

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First, at my blog I did a "final blog post" post:

http://ethesis.blogspot.com/2006/05/diet-index.html

I'll keep the rest here.

Also had a post on Plateaus, which was unfinished.  Here is the information:

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After the first month or so (well, the first eight weeks) I found that I hit a series of plateaus.  It seems that about once a month my body slows down and adjusts to having lost a lot of weight and then starts losing again.  Last month it was a pound a week for two weeks and then three pounds a week for the next two weeks.

As I understand it, that experience is normal.
Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: mjohnson121 on May 27, 2006, 07:35:37 AM
Stephen,

Did you get a chance to get the information off of your "natural whey" container? I'm kind of chomping at the bit for that as it sounds like it's compatible w/SLD and even though I gagged on the AnyWhey, it DID seem to do the trick appetite wise (I suspect protein works well for ME for appetite suppression...).

Thanks,

-Mark
Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 27, 2006, 09:58:03 AM
Stephen,

Did you get a chance to get the information off of your "natural whey" container? I'm kind of chomping at the bit for that as it sounds like it's compatible w/SLD and even though I gagged on the AnyWhey, it DID seem to do the trick appetite wise (I suspect protein works well for ME for appetite suppression...).

Thanks,

-Mark

Yes.

http://www.designerwhey.com/

As far as I can tell, the label and the name and such all blend together to obscure anything but the advertisement.

But that is what I'm using.  I've got a bottle of AnyWhey I'll try when my other bottle is at the end.  I suspect that the quality may not be even, and that the fresher it is, the blander.

I mix it with 20 ounces of water and just drink it down, first thing in the morning when I wake up.  I then hold off brushing my teeth for an hour.

It might not taste as bland if I were drinking it after brushing my teeth ....
Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: Ronnie on May 27, 2006, 10:38:41 AM
I've been using Absolute Isolate by interActive Nutrition - http://www.interactivenutrition.ca/products/absoluteisolate.php - the guy at the store said that generally protein 'isolate' (which is whey) has even less flavor than plain whey.  Though the jury's out on whether I'm getting appetite suppression from it.  Like Stephen I take it first thing in the morning, and regardless I'm glad I'm getting the protein, and with 110 calories per serving, that leaves me with 2 tablespoons of oil which is very easy to take. (or at least it was before I got off track!  Onwards...)
Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 27, 2006, 11:53:32 AM
I've been using Absolute Isolate by interActive Nutrition - http://www.interactivenutrition.ca/products/absoluteisolate.php - the guy at the store said that generally protein 'isolate' (which is whey) has even less flavor than plain whey.  Though the jury's out on whether I'm getting appetite suppression from it.  Like Stephen I take it first thing in the morning, and regardless I'm glad I'm getting the protein, and with 110 calories per serving, that leaves me with 2 tablespoons of oil which is very easy to take. (or at least it was before I got off track!  Onwards...)

Thanks, I'll look into that next.

My plan with the protiens is to switch brands steadily, so that even if there is some flavor, I'll switch out to a different almost flavor on the next.  For maintenance it won't matter.  I've only got 24 more pounds to lose (160 is my goal, but I'd like to have a pound of fudge factor too).

Hmm, I'm finding it hard to find on ebay or amazon.  I've sent them an e-mail to look for a source to try.

Neat stuff, 25 grams of protien a serving, two of those and you've hit your protien needs for the day.
Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: mjohnson121 on May 27, 2006, 02:55:30 PM
Thanks for the additional info on the proteins. I've tried designer whey in the past (although not the "natural" flavor) and thought it was pretty decent stuff (or at least their advertising is pretty decent!).

-Mark

PS. I hope you and Ronnie will eventually post an update on the success of the protein (or lack thereof) in the Tips/Innovations topic.

Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 27, 2006, 04:12:42 PM
Thanks for the additional info on the proteins. I've tried designer whey in the past (although not the "natural" flavor) and thought it was pretty decent stuff (or at least their advertising is pretty decent!).

-Mark

PS. I hope you and Ronnie will eventually post an update on the success of the protein (or lack thereof) in the Tips/Innovations topic.



Give me a week to try it and see how things go.

http://ethesis.blogspot.com/2006/05/diet-index.html is where I've put what is probably my final blog post on weight loss (the rest will be here), you can always reach me by leaving a comment there.

Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 27, 2006, 05:30:05 PM
I've been using Absolute Isolate by interActive Nutrition - http://www.interactivenutrition.ca/products/absoluteisolate.php - the guy at the store said that generally protein 'isolate' (which is whey) has even less flavor than plain whey.  Though the jury's out on whether I'm getting appetite suppression from it.  Like Stephen I take it first thing in the morning, and regardless I'm glad I'm getting the protein, and with 110 calories per serving, that leaves me with 2 tablespoons of oil which is very easy to take. (or at least it was before I got off track!  Onwards...)

BTW, which store?  I'd like to find some.  I've e-mailed them, but so far, no response.

Title: Re: Ethesis, six months May 13, on May 18 down 56 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 27, 2006, 05:40:40 PM
Thanks for the additional info on the proteins. I've tried designer whey in the past (although not the "natural" flavor) and thought it was pretty decent stuff (or at least their advertising is pretty decent!).

-Mark

PS. I hope you and Ronnie will eventually post an update on the success of the protein (or lack thereof) in the Tips/Innovations topic.



I've started a thread on it at:

http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?topic=595.0

Title: Re: Ethesis, 240+ start, 183 this morning May 27, 2006
Post by: Ronnie on May 27, 2006, 06:21:39 PM
I bought the Absolute Isolate at a local health food store.  I live in Vancouver, Canada, so I hope you can get it in the States.  The store here is called Capers and it's owned by Wild Oats - http://www.wildoats.com/u/home/   Maybe they have it?
Title: Re: Ethesis, 240+ start, 183 this morning May 27, 2006
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 27, 2006, 07:18:20 PM
I bought the Absolute Isolate at a local health food store.  I live in Vancouver, Canada, so I hope you can get it in the States.  The store here is called Capers and it's owned by Wild Oats - http://www.wildoats.com/u/home/   Maybe they have it?

I'll keep a look out at health food places when I pass one.

Thanks!

Wild Oats isn't in Texas, but we have Central Market and Whole Foods.
Title: My weekly cycle, weight loss rhythms
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 28, 2006, 04:46:15 AM
My weight follows kind of a weekly cycle.

Sunday mornings are my official weigh ins (now that I'm drinking whey, that is true in more than one way ...)

From Sunday through Tuesday, I usually lose the weight I'm going to lose for the week.  Some of that loss is water weight loss.  Wednesday mornings I'm usually up a little, Thursday and Friday the same, Saturday I make certain I'm fully hydrated (I don't want the Sunday morning weigh in to be affected by dehydration or something) and then I have my Sunday weigh in again.

I've started keeping an exercise log because I'm now walk/running over twenty miles a week as well as weights once and Judo twice.  I'm also trying to make myself stretch more, and writing it down seems to help.

I don't know if other people have the same cycle or not, but I thought I'd post mine.  The cycle kind of set up after I'd lost the first forty pounds or so.

On weeks where I've hit a plateau (a week where I'm going to lose only a pound or half a pound) the cycle can be distressing if I'm not tracking my calories, which I do.  Since I hit plateaus about 1.5 weeks out of four, the routine I use to eat helps me remember I'm not doing anything strange or suddenly eating more.

Keeping track of my weight also helps me not get lost.  I'll remember, for example, that I was somewhere in the 190s.  But having written the numbers down I'll know that "somewhere" was 196 last week, 194 this week.  The same for the 180s I'm in while posting.  That was 185, then 183 and 181.5 this morning.

As I've gotten used to the rhythm, and had a little bit of contact with others who have been through the same thing, it has helped me appreciate what is going on and not worry about the fact that this is a biologic event, not a mechanical one.

Thought I'd share this to help anyone else who has started to hit the plateau pattern after being in the Shangri-la method for a while.
Title: man, what a surprise 240 to 180
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 29, 2006, 07:42:42 AM
I did my morning weigh in (though with the whey protien ...).

I'd eaten a little more yesterday than normal, but my body had given up the water weight I was holding from starting the walking.

I knew I was down, because I'd had to go out and buy a 32" belt.

But I was amazed to be at 180.  I knew I'd hit a plateau, and it held on for a while, gave up a little and now I'm back on losing weight at a rate of 2-3 pounds a week.

So neat!
Title: Re: Ethesis, sixty pounds lost, hurrah! [that's my progress report ;) ]
Post by: Dixie_Amazon on May 29, 2006, 09:10:41 AM
Whey neat!  :wink: Congratulations.
Title: Re: Ethesis, sixty pounds lost, hurrah! [that's my progress report ;) ]
Post by: jzkc on May 29, 2006, 09:29:59 AM
60 pounds, what a milestone!  I think you could easily make your goal of 160 by September at this rate.  I'm watching your whey experience as I also think the protein on this diet is a good thing.  Also in two weeks, I start formally training to walk a half marathon with some friends in December, so I'm thinking I need to add the whey to my daily calories.  Thanks for continuing to be our inspiration, Stephen M!
Title: Re: Ethesis, sixty pounds lost, hurrah! [that's my progress report ;) ]
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 29, 2006, 02:08:43 PM
Whey neat!  :wink: Congratulations.

My wife was cracking "way, weigh, whey" etc. jokes too! ;)

Unfortunately, she can't tolerate the way the stuff tastes to her, even though to me it has no taste at all.

Title: Re: Ethesis, sixty pounds lost, hurrah! [that's my progress report ;) ]
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 29, 2006, 07:28:10 PM
(http://adrr.com/244.jpg)

That was me yesterday. ;)

Title: Re: Ethesis, sixty pounds lost, hurrah! [that's my progress report ;) ]
Post by: mjohnson121 on May 30, 2006, 12:41:16 PM
Lookin great! Thats awsome progress. You are of course an inspiration to all of us, in many ways.

Thanks!

-Mark
Title: Re: Ethesis, sixty pounds lost, hurrah! [that's my progress report ;) ]
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 01, 2006, 04:49:35 AM
Well, my daughter's graduation, missed a lot of exercise (other than all the stairs) and now wife and daughter are at camp while I'm with our first grader and my parents (who are staying through the week, it is nice).

My mother has lost fifteen pounds on the diet, just using olive oil.  She is now back where she was forty years ago.  She has spread the diet about, I expect my next book order in today.

I've had another week of weight fluctuation and plateau, but had to buy a 32" belt and I've moved down notches, so my actual fat content, so to speak, is continuing downward.

I think I'll finish up the whey I have in the cupboard and then go back to my normal eating and just the oil.

But I finally look like someone who has lost weight, and the results are fun.

I think people did say much before because:

(a) my face still looked fat, even if I had lost a lot of weight

(b) lots of people lose up to twenty pounds, plateau, and then gain it all back.  You learn not to say anything to people unless the weight loss starts to look permanent.

(c) seeing people day-to-day, more or less, you don't notice the changes quite as much.
Title: Re: Ethesis, sixty pounds lost, hurrah! [that's my progress report ;) ]
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 01, 2006, 07:39:17 PM
--Stephen--I have read everything you have written on this forum--Your long-term success and experience with the ups and downs of SLD are invaluable reading and most motivating--thanks for your generosity in sharing your story--

Ouis

I'm finding that right now my real weight loss is probably between a pound and half a pound a week.  The water in my system bounces around, with the result that what is really important is the confirmation, rather than the day to day scales.

I find the bouncing aorund annoying.  The first five or six months that didn't happen to me.  Ever since i started more exercise ...

On the other hand, I'm getting stronger and enjoying the exercise.
Title: Re: My weekly cycle, weight loss rhythms
Post by: pelkabo on June 05, 2006, 11:40:31 AM
My weight follows kind of a weekly cycle.
...
I don't know if other people have the same cycle or not, but I thought I'd post mine.  The cycle kind of set up after I'd lost the first forty pounds or so.

Stephen: I have noticed that my weight fluctuates a lot too, but the cycle does not appear to be weekly. My weight will go up about a half a pound a day for two or three  days (my bathroom scale is digital, but it only reads in half pounds), then all of a sudden I'll drop two or three pounds in a single day. My guess is that this pattern has something to do with the normal functioning of the digestive track.

From what you have posted here it seems that you are losing an average of 0.3 pounds per day. That's exactly what I have averaged over thirty days,  taking two tablespoons of canola oil per day.
Title: Re: My weekly cycle, weight loss rhythms
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 05, 2006, 07:52:37 PM
My weight follows kind of a weekly cycle.
...
I don't know if other people have the same cycle or not, but I thought I'd post mine.  The cycle kind of set up after I'd lost the first forty pounds or so.

Stephen: I have noticed that my weight fluctuates a lot too, but the cycle does not appear to be weekly. My weight will go up about a half a pound a day for two or three  days (my bathroom scale is digital, but it only reads in half pounds), then all of a sudden I'll drop two or three pounds in a single day. My guess is that this pattern has something to do with the normal functioning of the digestive track.

From what you have posted here it seems that you are losing an average of 0.3 pounds per day. That's exactly what I have averaged over thirty days,  taking two tablespoons of canola oil per day.

That's a good observation.

The first 3-4 months the weight loss was very steady, almost machine like.  It wasn't until about the 4-5th month that my weight started fluctuating, though trending downward.

I'm now about to finish month 7.

Title: Re: Ethesis, sixty pounds lost, hurrah! [that's my progress report ;) ]
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 07, 2006, 10:32:13 AM
Well, my daughter's graduation, missed a lot of exercise (other than all the stairs) and now wife and daughter are at camp while I'm with our first grader and my parents (who are staying through the week, it is nice).

My mother has lost fifteen pounds on the diet, just using olive oil.  She is now back where she was forty years ago.  She has spread the diet about, I expect my next book order in today.

I've had another week of weight fluctuation and plateau, but had to buy a 32" belt and I've moved down notches, so my actual fat content, so to speak, is continuing downward.

I think I'll finish up the whey I have in the cupboard and then go back to my normal eating and just the oil.

But I finally look like someone who has lost weight, and the results are fun.

I think people did say much before because:

(a) my face still looked fat, even if I had lost a lot of weight

(b) lots of people lose up to twenty pounds, plateau, and then gain it all back.  You learn not to say anything to people unless the weight loss starts to look permanent.

(c) seeing people day-to-day, more or less, you don't notice the changes quite as much.

I need to update this to a FAQ entry:  Why aren't people interested in the diet (and when will they be interested)?
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 09, 2006, 04:30:40 AM
May 07, 2006 I was 188, today is June 9 and I'm 178.

I was thinking how sad I was that the weight loss had slowed back down.  Glad I'm keeping notes, after a while the numbers seem to blurr together.

This is the weight I'd originally had as my goal.  I'm only 5'5" so more weight loss is obviously possible, though I'm currently at a 44 inch chest and a 34 inch waist.

But today I'm so happy.

Off to drink my protien powder.

(http://sethroberts.net/stories/images/stephenm_midway2.jpg)
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: bekel on June 09, 2006, 09:10:13 AM
Looking good!


 :D Congrats, Stephen!
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Miller on June 09, 2006, 07:09:12 PM
May 07, 2006 I was 188, today is June 9 and I'm 178.

I was thinking how sad I was that the weight loss had slowed back down.  Glad I'm keeping notes, after a while the numbers seem to blurr together.

This is the weight I'd originally had as my goal.  I'm only 5'5" so more weight loss is obviously possible, though I'm currently at a 44 inch chest and a 34 inch waist.

But today I'm so happy.

Off to drink my protien powder.

(http://sethroberts.net/stories/images/stephenm_midway2.jpg)

Crikey!  44 inch chest?  What's your body fat %age, if you know?  With those kind of stats you may convince me on that meogenic lifting stuff you do (though the few weeks I tried it a few years ago I found it excruciating - especially leg work).
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 09, 2006, 07:24:02 PM
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Crikey!  44 inch chest?  What's your body fat %age, if you know?  With those kind of stats you may convince me on that meogenic lifting stuff you do (though the few weeks I tried it a few years ago I found it excruciating - especially leg work).

I still have a good deal of fat.  And, worst of all, I had a rotator cuff inflamation that kept me from working my arms and shoulders for two years.  I finally gave in and went to a doctor.  Fix your posture, lose a little weight the guy said.  Didn't care how it happened (I tried bag work, did it wrong), he said "it doesn't matter how you got the problem, all that matters is how to fix it."  Sure enough, I worked on my posture, lost a little weight and my shoulders suddenly were fine.  Argghhhh, so simple, I still feel foolish.

I'll give you a secret.  For many people, at least for me, if I'm a notch off of failure I still make steady progress, and it is a lot less painful.  I'm really curious if that works for most people or not.  I found out by lifting after a long lay off.  I didn't want to hurt myself, so I started with pretty light weights.  Figured eventually I catch up to the "painful" sort of thing.  I ran out of weight first on a number of machines.  Right now I'm building my arms and shoulders and my thighs and hamstrings.  Everything else is pretty much within a weight or two of maintenance (when I switched to a better meo -- a full four seconds on the negative, I had to give up some weight, but I also made steady progress on one work-out a week instead of it just letting me keep even).

I found that being at failure just was more painful, I don't think I made progress any faster.  I'll find out with my legs and arms/shoulders as I get closer.  Right now I'm only 25% of the way up the stack on my arms/shoulders, but I move a weight about every three weeks.  I'm hoping to be much stronger by October.

But, the lose skin is shrinking, on the stretches where I feel the fat bunch up in the way, the fat is going down, and 160 is probably just perfect for me.  Since it is a weight class and i want to compete a little (I don't expect to really get far, but to have some fun) it makes a great target (178 is a weight class too.  Before they went metric, the weight class was 172, and I used to compete in it).

Keep me posted on how the weights work for you.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Miller on June 09, 2006, 08:09:09 PM
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Crikey!  44 inch chest?  What's your body fat %age, if you know?  With those kind of stats you may convince me on that meogenic lifting stuff you do (though the few weeks I tried it a few years ago I found it excruciating - especially leg work).

I still have a good deal of fat.  And, worst of all, I had a rotator cuff inflamation that kept me from working my arms and shoulders for two years.  I finally gave in and went to a doctor.  Fix your posture, lose a little weight the guy said.  Didn't care how it happened (I tried bag work, did it wrong), he said "it doesn't matter how you got the problem, all that matters is how to fix it."  Sure enough, I worked on my posture, lost a little weight and my shoulders suddenly were fine.  Argghhhh, so simple, I still feel foolish.

I'll give you a secret.  For many people, at least for me, if I'm a notch off of failure I still make steady progress, and it is a lot less painful.  I'm really curious if that works for most people or not.  I found out by lifting after a long lay off.  I didn't want to hurt myself, so I started with pretty light weights.  Figured eventually I catch up to the "painful" sort of thing.  I ran out of weight first on a number of machines.  Right now I'm building my arms and shoulders and my thighs and hamstrings.  Everything else is pretty much within a weight or two of maintenance (when I switched to a better meo -- a full four seconds on the negative, I had to give up some weight, but I also made steady progress on one work-out a week instead of it just letting me keep even).

I found that being at failure just was more painful, I don't think I made progress any faster.  I'll find out with my legs and arms/shoulders as I get closer.  Right now I'm only 25% of the way up the stack on my arms/shoulders, but I move a weight about every three weeks.  I'm hoping to be much stronger by October.

But, the lose skin is shrinking, on the stretches where I feel the fat bunch up in the way, the fat is going down, and 160 is probably just perfect for me.  Since it is a weight class and i want to compete a little (I don't expect to really get far, but to have some fun) it makes a great target (178 is a weight class too.  Before they went metric, the weight class was 172, and I used to compete in it).

Keep me posted on how the weights work for you.

Thanks for the info, definitely agree on the "to failure" stuff, not necessary.

If my current training regime stalls out, I will definitely be considering meogenic again.  Any good websites with more specific info than the PDF you posted before?  Thanks again.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 09, 2006, 09:18:45 PM
If my current training regime stalls out, I will definitely be considering meogenic again.  Any good websites with more specific info than the PDF you posted before?  Thanks again.

Nope, I haven't been able to find anything other than several copies of that article.

I would note that Frank Metzer's High Intensity Training and several other methods are basically the same thing.  There are books, web-sites, etc. that discuss the concept of very slow training (and a group that is certified), etc.  Most seem to go overboard.

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 13, 2006, 05:33:23 AM
Just a cross post ...

I just can't tell you how much your example means to all the rest of us, Stephen.  It helps to know that it isn't all easy for everybody, and it helps to know that sticking with it pays off in the end.


The diet just seems to take tweaking, and sometimes the tweaking doesn't mean anything, sometimes it does.

I recently decided to change the sugar I was sweeting my yogurt with from white sugar to brown sugar.  Suddenly I was hungry at night.  I went back to white sugar, I'm back to normal.

A lot of times I have to try changing one thing at a time.  Sometimes I'm sure the effects are just random noise (I've gone back to 4 tablespoons worth of flavorless calories, 180 cal of flavorless protien in water, later in the day two tablespoons of oil, now I eat less as a result, perhaps the 4 to 2 just happened when I was in a plateau -- I didn't recognize plateaus for regular features back then -- perhaps I was taking too much, but not getting any bonus appetite reduction.  I don't know).

But the brown sugar seems to have had a bad effect on me.  I'm glad to have given it up.

A lot of it is being patient, not taking risks (I know an hour time cushion works.  I know that for some people, they can shave it to 45 to 35 minutes or less.  I've decided not to find out right now), and waiting things out, realizing that things that mean failure on a normal diet (e.g. plateaus) are meaningless on this one.  As long as my appetite is suppressed and I'm thinking about food the Shangri-la way instead of the way I did, I'm ok and can just give it time.

The people it is really hard on is those who are losing 2-3 pounds a month.  A little water weight fluctuation, a little plateau and it is hard to see progress.  It is a lot easier at 7-8 pounds a month.

I just bought a pair of wrangler cargo pants with a 32" waist -- and they fit just right.  Had to go out and buy some 32" belts too.  I'm wearing Lands' End trim fit shirts (17" necks mind you, but the next batch will probably have 16.5" necks).  I'm stalling on getting too many clothes until I've flattened out my weight (18 pounds from here).  Then I can get my suits re-tailored and quit giving clothes away.

It is amazing to me.  I'm glad of it.

I'm also trying to put useful things in the FAQ section.  http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?board=12.0

If you have any ideas of things I should add, let me know.  I'm trying to cover basic things people need to understand.

Though I've gotten to the point where people from church keep calling me up for tweaking on their programs.  Weird to go from people not wanting to hear anything to having them call up.  (Most recently, tonight, from someone I gave one of the books to, "what kind of oil do you use again?" ;) ).  I'm hoping I can get them to agree to let Seth's publicist talk abou them.  I think in a couple more weeks, when I've got a bunch of success stories that will happen.

Anyway, I really appreciate the feedback, hope I'm not meandering too much tonight.

Stephen




Strange how I'm now getting stopped by strangers (people I've passed in the hall, but never talked to) and asked about how I lost weight and will I share my secret.

Also, good to know that the skin folds, and I'm lucky I don't have much loose skin, will go away with more weight loss.

I read some, mentioned it to my wife (who is a CRNA and has seen a lot of skin fold removal) and she remarked that she had never seen a skin fold removal where there wasn't a lot of fat.  It seems that as the fat leaves, the skin shrinks back up.  Compare the skin on the back of your hand to a usual skin fold which has about an inch or more of fat trapped in it (over half an inch a side).

177.5 this morning.  18 more pounds to lose (my goal is 160.2, but I want a tiny margin too).

Wish everyone well.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Miller on June 13, 2006, 10:55:19 AM
If my current training regime stalls out, I will definitely be considering meogenic again.  Any good websites with more specific info than the PDF you posted before?  Thanks again.

Nope, I haven't been able to find anything other than several copies of that article.

I would note that Frank Metzer's High Intensity Training and several other methods are basically the same thing.  There are books, web-sites, etc. that discuss the concept of very slow training (and a group that is certified), etc.  Most seem to go overboard.



Yeah, I read some about Super Slow, it seemed much too extreme when I tried it.  I would literally collapse as I stepped off the leg press machine.

I decided to try the meogenic as I understood it on at least one lift, overhead press on a Cybex machine.  I'll let you know how it works.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 13, 2006, 12:56:42 PM
If my current training regime stalls out, I will definitely be considering meogenic again.  Any good websites with more specific info than the PDF you posted before?  Thanks again.

Nope, I haven't been able to find anything other than several copies of that article.

I would note that Frank Metzer's High Intensity Training and several other methods are basically the same thing.  There are books, web-sites, etc. that discuss the concept of very slow training (and a group that is certified), etc.  Most seem to go overboard.



Yeah, I read some about Super Slow, it seemed much too extreme when I tried it.  I would literally collapse as I stepped off the leg press machine.

I decided to try the meogenic as I understood it on at least one lift, overhead press on a Cybex machine.  I'll let you know how it works.

Yep, "most seem to go overboard."

I'm doing more of a one+ count up and then four second negative, one set, 8-12 reps, a bit off the edge for failure, once a week.  I've been amazed at how well it has worked.

Let me know how the overhead press goes, especially on the once a week schedule.

I don't have it in me to do the Super Slow, I'm just not ready for pain.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Will on June 13, 2006, 02:54:13 PM
Stephen,

I did some power lifting in college (in class not competitive) and would like to get back into lifting, but the time constraints have been tough.  I was wondering if you could give just a simple listing of some of your weight lifting progress in various areas.  Just maybe the first workout of every month for the last 4-5 months.  I am really curious about the kind of progress you are seeing (and where you were coming from). 

I would really appreciate if you could give me something like this:

Jan- Squat - 9 reps - 200 lbs
Feb  - Squat - 11 reps - 220 lbs
Mar - Squat - 10 reps - 235 lbs
...

Jan - Bench Press - 8 reps - 175 lbs
Feb  - Bench Press - 12 reps - 195 lbs
Mar - Bench Press - 9 reps - 215 lbs
...

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 13, 2006, 03:07:29 PM
Using Cybex Machines at Bally Fitness

Thigh           90 pounds/10 reps ...     Now 210 pounds 11 reps on 6/10
Adducter      90 pounds/10 reps ...            150 pounds 9 reps on 6/10 (max on machine)
Abducter    120 pounds/9 reps ...              200 pounds 8 reps (max on machine)
Rotary
Torso        80/12                                     200/8 (max on machine)
Isolation
Ab/stomach 190/10                                  230/8 (max on machine +30 pounds)
Back            160/12                                 310/9 (max on machine + 30 pounds, harder foot setting)
Sitting
Hamstring     60/10                                  165/12

The first is from an old workout sheet from when I was trying to work out 3 times a week and was doing two count/four count (a four count is about one and a half seconds the way I was doing them), the second is from my curren meogenic work-out sheet I went out to the car and got.

Hope that gives you some reference.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Nancy on June 13, 2006, 04:44:19 PM
Stephen - Reading your post about not lifting to failure reminded me that in another topic in these forums, imsovain posted a link to a paper written by Arthur De Vany, perhaps you've heard of him.  It's a long essay, but it's an excellent view on training and specifically, how to not over train. In the paper, he doesn't really prescribe a course of training exercises, but he does comment on the fact that we should not train to failure. It's counter-productive. He also likes the idea of shorter duration and higher intensity in all activities. It's an interesting read.

For weight training, he likes "supersets" - for any exercise you start with many reps of light weight, move to moderate reps with a heavier weight, then finish with a few reps of heavy weight. Then you're done with that exercise and you move on to the next using the same method. But in any exercise you never go to failure. You can read the paper here: http://www.arthurdevany.com/webstuff/images/RevisedEssay.pdf Just thought this might be of some interest to you since you're starting to notice differences in your body with respect to your weight training. Best of luck to you in all you do.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 13, 2006, 04:57:20 PM
Stephen,

I did some power lifting in college (in class not competitive) and would like to get back into lifting, but the time constraints have been tough.  I was wondering if you could give just a simple listing of some of your weight lifting progress in various areas.  Just maybe the first workout of every month for the last 4-5 months.  I am really curious about the kind of progress you are seeing (and where you were coming from). 

I would really appreciate if you could give me something like this:

Jan- Squat - 9 reps - 200 lbs
Feb  - Squat - 11 reps - 220 lbs
Mar - Squat - 10 reps - 235 lbs
...

Jan - Bench Press - 8 reps - 175 lbs
Feb  - Bench Press - 12 reps - 195 lbs
Mar - Bench Press - 9 reps - 215 lbs
...




I've only been doing it this way since 5/9

Starting Meo was
Thigh  210/6  7  8  9  10   210/11
Ad      140/8                   150/9
dip      12/8                     11/9 (support, so smaller is better)
Rotary 180/8     190          200/8
Back    280/12                  310/9
Ab      180/8    190           200/8
pull-up  16/8                      15/12
iso      200/10                   230/8  (a stomach machine)
hmstrng 150/9                 165/12
sldr        60/8                   90/8    (starting from scratch after a two year layoff to injury)
curl       50/8                  70/8      (starting from scratch after a two year layoff to injury)

5/4 (oops, I thought that was 5/9)
5/11
5/18
5/26
6/1
6/10

So, that is where I've gotten in six work outs.  I had to drop my weight moved when i started lifting it slower, but I've made good progress so far.

Slowest on the thighs, which get worked out a lot in my Judo work-outs, etc., fastest on the back machine.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 13, 2006, 05:04:53 PM
Stephen - Reading your post about not lifting to failure reminded me that in another topic in these forums, imsovain posted a link to a paper written by Arthur De Vany, perhaps you've heard of him.  It's a long essay, but it's an excellent view on training and specifically, how to not over train. In the paper, he doesn't really prescribe a course of training exercises, but he does comment on the fact that we should not train to failure. It's counter-productive. He also likes the idea of shorter duration and higher intensity in all activities. It's an interesting read.

For weight training, he likes "supersets" - for any exercise you start with many reps of light weight, move to moderate reps with a heavier weight, then finish with a few reps of heavy weight. Then you're done with that exercise and you move on to the next using the same method. But in any exercise you never go to failure. You can read the paper here: http://www.arthurdevany.com/webstuff/images/RevisedEssay.pdf Just thought this might be of some interest to you since you're starting to notice differences in your body with respect to your weight training. Best of luck to you in all you do.

I'll have to look.  I'm doing one set, 8-12 reps (usually).  When I flatten out I'll have to look at supersets.

At a slightly faster lift I made slower progress/stayed even for a year or so (I've been lifting for about three years, just paid the final bill) and started at about 40-50 pounds in each area lifted.  Cycled a bit on what exercises I was doing, and in what order.  I started with a standard Nautilus style work-out of three times a week, but slowly moved to one or two work-outs a week.  Woke up and realized one day that I had made a lot of progress (it kind of crept up on me).  Before I'd always flattened out at about half the weight stack, this time I was flat, for a year or so, at close to the end of the weight stack on most machines.

Then, I switched to a true meo count (a true four second negative instead of a four count ... "one thousand one, one thousand two, one thousand three, one thousand four," instead of "one, two, three four") and once a week and I just started tracking that.

I do Judo Mondays and Wednesdays, swim twice a week (to loosen my shoulder muscles up), walk random amounts, and lift on Thursdays.  Sometimes I get delayed and lift a little later (Friday or Saturday).  I eventually hope to play judo a few more days a week as I get stronger.

I'm fifty years old. 
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Nancy on June 14, 2006, 06:43:18 PM
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I'll have to look.  I'm doing one set, 8-12 reps (usually).  When I flatten out I'll have to look at supersets.

At a slightly faster lift I made slower progress/stayed even for a year or so (I've been lifting for about three years, just paid the final bill) and started at about 40-50 pounds in each area lifted.  Cycled a bit on what exercises I was doing, and in what order.  I started with a standard Nautilus style work-out of three times a week, but slowly moved to one or two work-outs a week.  Woke up and realized one day that I had made a lot of progress (it kind of crept up on me).  Before I'd always flattened out at about half the weight stack, this time I was flat, for a year or so, at close to the end of the weight stack on most machines.

Then, I switched to a true meo count (a true four second negative instead of a four count ... "one thousand one, one thousand two, one thousand three, one thousand four," instead of "one, two, three four") and once a week and I just started tracking that.

I do Judo Mondays and Wednesdays, swim twice a week (to loosen my shoulder muscles up), walk random amounts, and lift on Thursdays.  Sometimes I get delayed and lift a little later (Friday or Saturday).  I eventually hope to play judo a few more days a week as I get stronger.

I'm fifty years old.

Your lifting as it stands sounds great. In the paper I referenced, Prof. De Vany also discusses something called "alactic training" (sp?) where he sometimes pauses at the end of a rep for 4 seconds then lifts again. This eliminates the muscle rebound and momentum from the next lift. But counting slowly on the negative like you are will most surely have the same effect. That probably has a LOT to do with your progress. You're really working in a more quality, high intensity fashion, thus making progress more quickly without having to spend hours in the gym. That's so great. I'm doing the supersets, but once every couple weeks I try the alactic training. It's not easy. I have to say that improvement seems to be coming more quickly than using "traditional" lifting.

Sounds like you're really becoming active in various ways. You must feel like a new person. Just keep up what you're doing and you'll always improve. It's great feeling like you have the energy to be physical again isn't it? Judo sounds like a blast.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: tarheelatheart on June 14, 2006, 08:06:38 PM
Way to go Stephen. I've just hit plateau after 4 weeks and 2 pounds. But after reading the forum and your posts, I'm not going to get bent out of shape about it. I'm going to take it in stride and avoid the scales like the plague until I think I might have shed another half pound.

I will say that natural protein powder takes like nothing but tastes awful at the same time. I tried gagging it down as a low flavor food several times and got it down but ended up blending a banana, blackberries and granola in it today. Much better. I figure I've got about 100 variations before I run out of ideas. So at least I get extra credit if not "flavorless" credit.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 14, 2006, 08:19:28 PM
Way to go Stephen. I've just hit plateau after 4 weeks and 2 pounds. But after reading the forum and your posts, I'm not going to get bent out of shape about it. I'm going to take it in stride and avoid the scales like the plague until I think I might have shed another half pound.

I will say that natural protein powder takes like nothing but tastes awful at the same time. I tried gagging it down as a low flavor food several times and got it down but ended up blending a banana, blackberries and granola in it today. Much better. I figure I've got about 100 variations before I run out of ideas. So at least I get extra credit if not "flavorless" credit.

That is a great idea.

I'm drinking it when I first wake up.  I rinse my mouth out with water, drink it (I started on the AnyWhey this week) and then rinse my mouth out.  Sometimes I go back to sleep.  I brush my teeth an hour later or so.

I then have two tablespoons of oil later in the day.

I'm not sure it is making much of a difference, except I substitute it for breakfast and it means I get enough protien.  I'm hoping for more effect from the AnyWhey which seems (at least the container I got) a little less flavored than the DesignerWhey (a little less milk, though a touch of vanilla even in the "unflavored" version).  Next i try the soy protien.

I'm going to just keep switching protiens for a while. ;)
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 14, 2006, 08:35:44 PM
Nancy, I am starting to feel like a new man, or, more like the old one.

Because of the way I had three children die over a five year period, it was if I went to bed one day in my early thirties and work up almost fifty, fat and in Dallas.  Between the carreer shifts, getting my wife through school and then graduate school, and everything else, it was as if I'd lost a huge chunk out of my life.

In many ways I feel as if I've regained it.

I used to lift.  I always plateaued at about half way up the weight stack or so.  Now I'm suddenly seeing the entire weight stack, and then some, as a reasonable goal.  I had to restart on the thigh machine (I slipped into not doing full range of motion) and start over on the arms and shoulders (that inflamed rotator cuff I got over), but I've never moved weight like this before.

I'm wearing the pants I had tailored before I got married, I'm relearning Judo with an entirely different level of technique (before I had really strong arms and shoulders, I'm learning that much of what I did doesn't work if you aren't brutally strong, it is like learning something completely different), and I really do feel like I'm emerging.

Not only that, but people treat me better thinner.  For a long time I had to deal with the fact that when I lost weight I looked too young (kind of like my wife loves a beard on me, but it makes me look too mean).  Now that isn't a problem.  My great grandfather broke a hundred.  I've a grandfather and a grandmother who both died at about that age.  The song with the refrain "when you've only got a hundred years to live" resonates with me -- I probably have fifty or fewer years left, but they will be good ones, with strength and mobility.

Yes, I wonder how strong I could have gotten if I had learned how to lift right sooner -- I know that at fifty I'm probably 30% off my peak or more -- but I also feel very blessed.

tarheelatheart

Posts like your and others helped me to realize that for many, many, many people, 2-3 pounds a month is normal.  It has helped me deal with the steady cycle of plateaus.  Every time I hit one it feels like forever.  I know it won't be, and knowing everyone else is going through it really helps (I remember one of the few times I talked with Seth he said plateaus were normal, but in my heart it was hard to believe).

It also helps to realize that a plateau is not the harbringer of failure, but merely a staging ground for the next round of weight loss.

I appreciate the comments and feedback, very much.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Ann H on June 14, 2006, 10:32:52 PM
We're still waiting for the pic of you and your stack of books on the scale! :) Make sure they're pretty thin ones so you can get a nice, high stack...

(BTW, I'm another one of those who look "too young". I'm quite sure this has hurt me professionally, especially here in Asia. (My ex-boss kept asking me "How old are you now?" when I would inquire about a better contact, no joke! Can't sue for that kind of thing over here, either.) But like you, I think this will serve us as we age, eh?)

And what kind of link back do you want at my blog? Happy to oblige...

Ann H
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: tarheelatheart on June 15, 2006, 08:01:54 AM
Thanks Stephen. The good news is that I don't have much to lose as I really have watched it over the years. However, I did not have the level of kicked-in-the-gut life turmoil that you faced. That is the ultimate dispair and tragedy and I'm sure you spent lots of time in a fog. I had a brain tumor and the one thing that I was continually elated about after each test or surgery was that it was me and not my children.  It was not that difficult to handle emotionally because of that. I think those who've been through difficult times and manage to pull out of it make so many changes for the better. You are continually doing that and I know part of your success is due to the fact that you are feeling proud of yourself for joining the human race again. It feels good to be in charge of yourself.

I've been a runner all my life. But I'm 44 (as of this weekend), I figure I can't "run it off" for the rest of my life. My balance is rather wary since surgeries and I just need something else in my arsenal. I feel lighter today but it did not show any progress. But I think next week it just might. I have 3 or 4 to go depending on that bee bopping scale. I have a small frame for someone over five foot ten so I have to be diligent.

Super sets. You guys must have the gym to yourself because every time I leave something, someone else hops on and super set is no longer super--unless you count my going back to it the following week.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: imsovain on June 15, 2006, 10:24:05 AM
Supersets don't necessarily imply that you switch to a different exercise, although that term is often used that way.

Art initially uses the term "fast twitch threshold sets" which is a bit of a mouthful, but with these FTTSs, you don't switch to a different exercise, and you don't rest longer than it takes you to switch the weight, so there is no need to have the gym to yourself.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: tarheelatheart on June 15, 2006, 11:51:01 AM
Okay, I understand now. I do see people do this. I simply wait less time between sets. I change things up pretty frequently so I don't get bored. A friend of mine is a trainer and he said that I could do heavy and a few, or light and a lot, or anything I wanted because there was never any chance of me "bulking up".  I had to laugh at that.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 15, 2006, 08:26:02 PM
We're still waiting for the pic of you and your stack of books on the scale! :) Make sure they're pretty thin ones so you can get a nice, high stack...

(BTW, I'm another one of those who look "too young". I'm quite sure this has hurt me professionally, especially here in Asia. (My ex-boss kept asking me "How old are you now?" when I would inquire about a better contact, no joke! Can't sue for that kind of thing over here, either.) But like you, I think this will serve us as we age, eh?)

And what kind of link back do you want at my blog? Happy to oblige...

Ann H

I was just hoping for a side bar link, kind of the way I've got my blog linked to yours.

I'm trying to figure out a way to get all those books stacked on the scales.  Sixty-three pounds is a lot of books. ;)
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: DirkVA on June 15, 2006, 09:15:28 PM
Tarheelatheart writes:

The good news is that I don't have much to lose as I really have watched it over the years.


This list is full of people who have "watched it over the years," but they were still fat. Let's not pretend that their weight is their fault. That's not what SLD is about.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: tarheelatheart on June 16, 2006, 10:27:14 AM
DirkVa- Thanks for pointing that out.  I did not mean that to be finger wagging and when I read it again I noticed it could be read that way. That is not the way I intended. 

I guess I mean that as I've gotten older, it has taken more and more effort, and just this year a struggle to keep it where I want it despite working out every day and eating healthy food. I am small framed for a tall person so a little shows up a lot on me. I've actually seen a lot less success than others have here. Loosing the 6 pounds will be a challenge and I've only managed -2 pounds in 5 weeks.  So I'm hardly a poster person for SLD but it's headed in the right direction. I guess in light of my lack of rapid success and a 2.5 week plateau, I was trying to pinpoint a bright spot for my own sense of self and in so doing probably insluted a lot of people.  In the past I have been severely underweight as a result of doctor-prescribed steroids and I can tell you that I'd rather be where I am now than where I was then.

Where in VA do you live?
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 16, 2006, 06:24:14 PM
One thing that strikes me about this board is that everyone acts like an adult, we don't get brushfires of flame every-so-often.

Stephen
blogging over at http://ethesis.blogspot.com/ (though not much about weight loss, a lot about related themes).
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 17, 2006, 07:39:55 AM
BTW, that is me begin thrown in this video:

http://www.dallasjudo.com/NoviceJudo/Workout_Clips/06-12-2006/SEOI-NAGE-1.WMV

Returning to Judo has been a real experience for me.  I quickly caught on that I needed to start over completely, but it was a real mental adjustment.

Not to mention I cracked a rib and was in constant pain for a couple months (I was foolish, I dropped someone on my chest.  Dumb.  But it made every repetition, every exercise, and sleeping at night, painful.  It got better after about six weeks and the pain was gone after ten weeks).

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: DirkVA on June 17, 2006, 09:48:30 AM
Great to see you in action, Stephen.

Watch those ribs!
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: tarheelatheart on June 17, 2006, 06:04:23 PM
Stephen- You look trim while you are getting thrown.  At least you look good while you are being abused.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 18, 2006, 06:09:12 PM
The guy throwing me only weighs about 140 and is trying to be extra careful to throw me easily, which is why it is so slow.

I was down to 176 this morning, so I'll be lighter when I'm thrown some more tomorrow.

I'm really enjoying returning to Judo.  I'm glad they tolerate me.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 23, 2006, 05:59:39 AM
Even better, this thread has moved and I'm here!

Neat.

So, I'm going to import my posts (just two) and keep this thread.



I've posted at http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?topic=188.0 (progress reports) and http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?topic=492.0 (4 weeks or more) and I thought I might as well post here too Wink

There is a problem as the diet goes along.  After the initial excitement, the losing weight becomes boring.  For most people it just fades into the background.  The routines of the diet are simple, it just keeps working and that is pretty much that.  I know a lot of people that once they lose 20 or so pounds, they just lose interest in posting about it, old news.

Important things that most people figure out are:

1.  Plateaus are normal and are not signs of failure.  In a "classic" diet, the diet works because you change what you are eating, and everyone loses weight a while from doing that.  Doesn't matter what the diet's gimmick is, the key to what makes it work is the change, and that wears off.  You can tell the diet is headed towards failure when you plateau.  As a result, many people learn to link plateaus with failure.  I've been through a lot of plateaus, they all seem to merely be reorganization before losing more weight.

2.  Stick with what works, tweaking it as needed.  For example, oil.  Find an oil that works, let your body start producing the right enzymes to digest it (so that you get the full value of it) and just keep using it.  People who switch oil all the time seem to have trouble.  I use extra light olive oil blended with grapeseed (it is lighter in texture to me).  If I had known of the water & oil mix in a glass trick, I'd never have left pure eloo.

3.  Make sure you eat enough, don't suppress your appetite too much, don't miss out on vitamins and protein (take vitamin pills if nothing else).

4.  Skin folds go away as you lose more weight.  That was a big surprise to me to learn.  My wife is a CRNA and noted that in fold removal surgery, the skin folds always had a lot of fat in them.  People who lose the fat underneath the folds lose the folds too.

5.  Many people have emotional or other issues that fueled their weight gain, in addition to set point issues.  Joining a group (like the free http://www.oa.org/ ) or working through them will make life better.  You are probably going to feel emotions more vividly and life more intensely after awhile on the diet.

6.  Keep track of the weight you have lost.  It is easy to get lost and forget that you are making progress.  A weight journal, or just a couple sheets of paper to keep track twice a month or so can really help.

My weight record, so far:

November 13, 2005, about 240 lbs (a little more, but I'm not sure how much, probably a half pound or so).
11/27          229-230
12/4            225.5
1/4/2006     217.5
1/13           214.5
1/27           211
2/5             209
2/12           207.5  (plateau period)
2/24           206
                      Start Judo
3/12           202
3/19           199.5
3/26           198  (plateau period)
4/10           196
4/13           193.5
4/23           191.5
5/1             191.0 (plateau period)
5/7             188
5/14           185
5/20           185  (plateau period)
5/25           183
5/28           181.5
6/4             179.5
6/13           177.5
6/20           177.0 (plateau)

(btw, I get weekly fluctuations.  On 6/18 I was 176, I expect to be back there, or 175 by 6/25).

Nov-Dec    16 pounds to Dec 11
Dec-Jan     9.5 lbs to Jan 13
Jan-Feb     7.5 lbs to Feb 12
Feb-Mar     5.5 lbs to Mar 12
Mar-Apr     8.5 to April 13
Apr-May     8.5 to May 14
May-June   7.5 lb to June 13 where I hit 177.5

My goal is 160 lbs.  I'm only 5'5" but I'm currently buying 32" pants and 32" belts to go with them, my chest is 44" and I'm walking a fair amount, doing Judo twice a week, a form of weight lifting once a week (I do a one count -- about a half to a third of a second -- positive and a four second negative, 8-12 repetitions and one set each weight).  I also so a little stretching (I need to do more).

You can read more about me at http://ethesis.blogspot.com/ -- feel free to leave a comment in any thread there.  I'm also on-line at http://adrr.com/

That's my picture, a kind of "during" photograph (I say during, since I plan to lose more weight).

Thinking about this entire process is kind of a hobby of mine right now, since the weight loss part of it has gotten boring.

I've used:

Sugar water (2/3 cup of sugar in 2 liters of water, half in the a.m. and half in the p.m.)
extra light olive oil (two tablespoons worth, used to replace a liter of water)
extra light olive oil blended with grapeseed oil for a lighter flavor
various protein powders
sugar cubes (I do those once in a while for variety).

I started on a "four dose" routine (roughly 4 tablespoons of oil worth of calories), cut back to a "two dose" (two tablespoons of oil, once a day), recently back to a four dose sometimes (protein powder in water in place of breakfast, oil at 10:00 with a littel sugar water as a chaser).  On Sundays I often have sugar cubes or if I have to drive when I'd take the oil.

I tended to write more during plateaus, though I think I'm finally inured to them.  Will see.



Well, when I started my blood pressure was 134/140 over 90

Donating blood this weekend it was 106 over 80 which is a bit lower.

When I was younger it was 100 over 60.

So I'm making progress.

I'm curious to find out what my hdl/ldl, etc. are like.




Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 24, 2006, 07:44:51 AM

Finally moving off the reoccurring monthly plateau.  That was neat.  I'm really curious where I'll be at my benchmark weigh-in tomorrow morning.

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: dgrillot2000 on June 24, 2006, 03:09:27 PM
Good for you.  It is good to hear from a long time SLDer who has had such great success.  Everyone who is at a plateau or discouraged should read your post.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 24, 2006, 03:16:54 PM
Good for you.  It is good to hear from a long time SLDer who has had such great success.  Everyone who is at a plateau or discouraged should read your post.

Thanks.

Plateaus are a reoccurring issue, which is why I posted on the FAQ and why I try to write about it.

e.g. http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?topic=964.30

and http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?topic=601.0

But I appreciate the encouragement.

These days I hit a 1-2 week plateau every month, then lose weight.  I went from worried, to frustrated, to concerned to resigned to bored to accepting.  I just kind of lose weight that way.  But I keep losing, so it is ok.

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: tekayla on June 25, 2006, 11:58:57 AM
I know you have helped me immensely with your advice about stalls Stephen. I can accept them now without getting to down on myself because I know eventually the scale will move downward again and that is worth waiting for

Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -63.5 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 25, 2006, 07:54:55 PM
I know you have helped me immensely with your advice about stalls Stephen. I can accept them now without getting to down on myself because I know eventually the scale will move downward again and that is worth waiting for

Thanks  :)

You are welcome, I appreciate the feedback.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 26, 2006, 08:02:43 PM
I like this thread:

http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?topic=1123.0

 :D
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 29, 2006, 07:56:43 PM

Well, I'm now losing around a half pound a week or so.

Which is so slow.

Guess I'll wait it out, or just continue at it.

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Miller on June 30, 2006, 04:06:15 AM

Well, I'm now losing around a half pound a week or so.

Which is so slow.

Guess I'll wait it out, or just continue at it.



Think of it as a pound every 2 weeks.  It's almost like a payday.  Not a Payday, which would be a candy bar.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 02, 2006, 01:26:37 PM

Well, I'm now losing around a half pound a week or so.

Which is so slow.

Guess I'll wait it out, or just continue at it.



Think of it as a pound every 2 weeks.  It's almost like a payday.  Not a Payday, which would be a candy bar.

Thanks.  I need to remember that a pound every two weeks is still weight loss.

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Rabin the Cat on July 02, 2006, 11:58:24 PM
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I need to remember that a pound every two weeks is still weight loss.
Has success spoiled Stephen Marsh? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/Sarsparilla/cat_rofl-ani.gif)

And remember how happy .5 pounds a week would have made you 9 months ago! Sorry you got rained out.

I just realized that I've not lost any weight in almost 4 weeks and am reading your threads for inspiration.

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Ann H on July 03, 2006, 02:47:06 AM
Ya, Rabin, all of us who are "used to" the diet's success have ridiculous expectations. Right, Stephen?

OMG, I only ate HALF a pound of chocolate and drank a PINT of cream (and all that normal food of course), yet I didn't lose anything!! Blasted *&!#@ SLD!

After gaining 3 pounds on vacation, this time it took me THREE days to lose it again. Why not TWO?! Heck, why'd I even GAIN that weight in the first place? #@!!* Where's my razzle-fazzle oil?!

        --only slightly exaggerated synopses of my typical historical blog entries on the diet

These insane expectations are clear demonstrations of how effective the diet is. (Not the best demonstrations of our vast intelligence, though, I guess.)
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -62 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 03, 2006, 07:37:38 AM
Ya, Rabin, all of us who are "used to" the diet's success have ridiculous expectations. Right, Stephen?

OMG, I only ate HALF a pound of chocolate and drank a PINT of cream (and all that normal food of course), yet I didn't lose anything!! Blasted *&!#@ SLD!

After gaining 3 pounds on vacation, this time it took me THREE days to lose it again. Why not TWO?! Heck, why'd I even GAIN that weight in the first place? #@!!* Where's my razzle-fazzle oil?!

        --only slightly exaggerated synopses of my typical historical blog entries on the diet

These insane expectations are clear demonstrations of how effective the diet is. (Not the best demonstrations of our vast intelligence, though, I guess.)

It is kind of funny, but yest, after a few months you get expectations that are unreal.

My weight loss dropped to five pounds a month, but then I vastly upgraded my exercise and it jumped to 7.5 or so a month.  I let the exercise slip a little and I've had a plateau.

I've been tempted to start up the DDR (dance dance revolution) that I got the kids (finally replacing the PS2 that was stolen when our house was burglarized).  Instead, I'm just going to make sure to get in 3.5 to 6 miles a day, every day. 

My wife was saying just about the same things you guys did "gee Steve, I'm trying to be supportive, but ... "

So the posts made me laugh, and made her laugh too.

Down 64 pounds as of today.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -64 pounds (yep, though my wife says 65)
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 04, 2006, 02:04:05 PM
Nope...

One of the things that attracted me to this un-diet was that we wouldn't need to exercise (or count calories, or avoid certain foods)...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I don't believe that anything you really want is achieved without some effort.  I am convinced that exercise has a positive effect on your physical and mental health.  I also believe that exercise can have a positive effect in weight loss....albeit not the main effect.

I have to mention that I started the diet long before the book and didn't think it meant no exercise.  It works better with exercise and counting calories, but it can work without them, just slower.

I'd say that 2-3 pounds a month is very normal for weight loss.

It is one of the reasons I posted a series of FAQ entries at http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?board=12.0

           
And

http://ethesis.blogspot.com/2006/06/shangri-la-diet-best-practices.html which Seth has been kind enough to say kind things about.

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -64 pounds (yep, though my wife says 65)
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 06, 2006, 08:31:38 AM
Well,

The night time oil just did not work for me.

I'm not sure why, but after a great first day, the next week + in time really did not go well.

Too bad, it was convenient.

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -64 pounds (yep, though my wife says 65)
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 07, 2006, 05:01:16 PM
Well,

The night time oil just did not work for me.

I'm not sure why, but after a great first day, the next week + in time really did not go well.

Too bad, it was convenient.



Here is my update for what I'm considering:

http://ethesis.blogspot.com/2006/07/shangri-la-diet-update.html

Though I'd love to find some Walnut oil that didn't have flavor (the stuff I have is pretty strong).

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -64 pounds (yep, though my wife says 65)
Post by: Seth Roberts on July 07, 2006, 07:43:13 PM
Spectrum refined walnut oil has little flavor. On their website www.spectrumorganics.com (http://www.spectrumorganics.com) you may be able to find it somewhere near you.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -64 pounds (yep, though my wife says 65)
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 07, 2006, 08:59:49 PM
Spectrum refined walnut oil has little flavor. On their website www.spectrumorganics.com (http://www.spectrumorganics.com) you may be able to find it somewhere near you.

Thanks, they've a number of stores, I'm sure one of them must carry it.

I'm looking forward to giving it a try.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -64 pounds (yep, though my wife says 65)
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 08, 2006, 08:52:35 PM
Spectrum refined walnut oil has little flavor. On their website www.spectrumorganics.com (http://www.spectrumorganics.com) you may be able to find it somewhere near you.

Bought some tonight.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -64 pounds (yep, though my wife says 65)
Post by: Rabin the Cat on July 08, 2006, 11:13:35 PM
Stephen, I did night time oil for three days and felt it wasn't right for me. Each day I was a little hungrier. Back to 7 am and 5-6 pm.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -64 pounds (yep, though my wife says 65)
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 09, 2006, 04:41:40 AM
Stephen, I did night time oil for three days and felt it wasn't right for me. Each day I was a little hungrier. Back to 7 am and 5-6 pm.

Thanks.

I'm updating my best practices summary to note that.

In fact, now that I've updated my benchmarks and checked my records, I've realized that I started at 177.5 for the time period, got down to 175.5 and ended up at 178.0 -- the last after about two weeks on night time oil.  Instead of being at 173, I'm at 178, which is a big difference when the goal is 160.2 by a deadline. 

I'm going to miss the deadline because of the experiment, but I've learned that night time oil doesn't work for me.

On the other hand, today seems to be going ok.  Daytime and 50/50 olive oil and walnut oil seems to be working.

I'll know more (and better) by the end of the week.  But darn, I'd rather be 173 right now.

Live and learn.


Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -64 pounds (yep, though my wife says 65)
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 11, 2006, 10:53:05 AM
The olive oil/walnut oil blend is working well for me.  176.5 this morning, fully hydrated (a little too fully hydrated, actually).

So, I'm looking forward to next week.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -64 pounds (yep, though my wife says 65)
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 12, 2006, 05:02:07 AM
The olive oil/walnut oil blend is working well for me.  176.5 this morning, fully hydrated (a little too fully hydrated, actually).

So, I'm looking forward to next week.

Darn, I'm looking forward to tomorrow (I benchmark my month to month weight on the 13th of every month).  175 this morning.

I've been growing a beard since I went on vacation (my wife loves them).  Went in for a board meeting for a charity I'm with.  I've lost over 40 pounds since I've seen them last.  Got a lot of compliments about the beard. ;)

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -64 pounds (yep, though my wife says 65)
Post by: Miller on July 12, 2006, 09:37:42 AM
The olive oil/walnut oil blend is working well for me.  176.5 this morning, fully hydrated (a little too fully hydrated, actually).

So, I'm looking forward to next week.

Darn, I'm looking forward to tomorrow (I benchmark my month to month weight on the 13th of every month).  175 this morning.

I've been growing a beard since I went on vacation (my wife loves them).  Went in for a board meeting for a charity I'm with.  I've lost over 40 pounds since I've seen them last.  Got a lot of compliments about the beard. ;)



LOL, similar happened to me.  Saw a guy I haven't seen in about a month.  He said, "Did you get your hair cut, or trim your mustache?  You look different."
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -64 pounds (yep, though my wife says 65)
Post by: Weston on July 13, 2006, 08:19:32 AM
The olive oil/walnut oil blend is working well for me.  176.5 this morning, fully hydrated (a little too fully hydrated, actually).

So, I'm looking forward to next week.

Darn, I'm looking forward to tomorrow (I benchmark my month to month weight on the 13th of every month).  175 this morning.

I've been growing a beard since I went on vacation (my wife loves them).  Went in for a board meeting for a charity I'm with.  I've lost over 40 pounds since I've seen them last.  Got a lot of compliments about the beard. ;)



LOL, similar happened to me.  Saw a guy I haven't seen in about a month.  He said, "Did you get your hair cut, or trim your mustache?  You look different."

Same thing here.
A friend of my wife's spent 5 minutes talking about how much better I looked with just a goatee instead of the full beard that I had the last time she saw me. She didn't mention the 18 pounds I had dropped in the same time period even though there is no doubt in my mind that is what she was actually seeing.

Same thing happened to me the last time I lost a fair amount of weight  about 8 years ago. A lawyer I was acquainted with made a point of telling me how much better I looked with the new style of haircut even though it was the exact same style I'd had for the past 20 years.

 Not sure why, but for some reason this seems to happen with women who see me. My male friends and acquaintances immediately peg the difference as being from weight loss.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -64 pounds (yep, though my wife says 65)
Post by: Ann H on July 13, 2006, 09:02:01 PM
There's a nifty puzzle game called "Petals around the Rose" http://www.borrett.id.au/computing/petals-j.htm  (http://www.borrett.id.au/computing/petals-j.htm) that you play with dice. It's a guess-how-this-game-works game, and it's famously supposed to be harder for "smarter" people because they will attempt a zillion diferent sophisticated (and WRONG) hypothesis before (if ever) they find the correct and VERY simple answer. For example, it took Bill Gates nearly a day to solve it, after writing all kinds of algorithms. Other probably-considered-less-brilliant folk could see the answer right away.

Might be the same with if some people recognize weight loss as the factor in your changed appearance. People who notice more and subtle variables about appearance might have a harder time isolating the obvious one that has really changed. Women (and gay men?) ARE famous for noticing a zillion little details about people's appearances, such as haircuts, etc.

Or, they just didn't notice the weight loss. :) Have fun with Petals round the Rose!

Ann H
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -64 pounds (yep, though my wife says 65)
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 14, 2006, 06:16:34 PM
I had some fun with polar bears around the ice hole ... ;)

http://ethesis.blogspot.com/2006/07/quick-links.html  has a new picture of me at -65 pounds ... so neat to be there.

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -64 pounds (yep, though my wife says 65)
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 18, 2006, 07:50:22 PM
Ran into someone I hadn't seen for a while.

No "that beard looks nice" it was all "my gosh, you've lost a lot of weight."  Then they noticed the beard (I don't shave it off until Saturday).

(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5315/242/320/stevebeard2.jpg)

vs

(http://adrr.com/244.jpg)


vs. me when fat ...

(http://sethroberts.net/stories/images/stephenm_before.jpg)
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -64 pounds (yep, though my wife says 65)
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 18, 2006, 08:56:00 PM
btw http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~dtg/New%20York%20Times.htm is pretty interesting.  On happiness.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; today -64 pounds (yep, though my wife says 65)
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 19, 2006, 07:49:01 PM
I added one more picture to this group and made a blog post about it.

http://ethesis.blogspot.com/2006/07/pictures-free-copies-of-book-etc.html

I'd love any comments you might want to put on my blog.

Thanks,

Steve
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 20, 2006, 04:24:59 AM
I don't know how much this is blending in some walnut oil, how much it is the normal end of a plateau, how much is recovery from the weight I gained with the midnight oil (where I went from 175.5 to 179 -- ouch), but I'm at 173.5 this morning.  My wife only said "told you so" and smiled.

Man.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: frenata on July 20, 2006, 04:45:36 AM
Glad to see the change in subject line! I always looked at your thread and thought, "I wonder how much it is now?"
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: tarheelatheart on July 20, 2006, 07:16:11 PM
That is almost 70 pounds. Holy Cow Batman!
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 20, 2006, 07:43:06 PM
That is almost 70 pounds. Holy Cow Batman!

I know, it feels weird if I think of it that way.

The strange thing is thinking about switching to maintenance in two or three months when I hit my target.

I'm already wearing belts and waist sizes I didn't think I could ever wear, even with a complete success on a diet.  I never thought I'd be shopping 30-32" belts ...

It is a miracle, for which I am grateful.

I'm hoping to be close to 70 pounds lost by the end of the month, with only ten more pounds to go.

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: Rabin the Cat on July 24, 2006, 11:39:51 AM
Way to go, Poster Boy!
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: J. Weighty on July 24, 2006, 02:24:20 PM
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The strange thing is thinking about switching to maintenance in two or three months when I hit my target.

What are you going to do in maintenance mode? Daily oil, but just less of it? Every other day?

I stopped completely about a week and a half ago, and haven't really noticed much change yet. I'm nowhere near my goal; I'm just stopping as an experiment. My weight has continued to drop slowly, and I'm not any hungrier than I was.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: 94S10 (a.k.a. Truckman) on July 24, 2006, 03:41:56 PM
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The strange thing is thinking about switching to maintenance in two or three months when I hit my target.

What are you going to do in maintenance mode? Daily oil, but just less of it? Every other day?

I stopped completely about a week and a half ago, and haven't really noticed much change yet. I'm nowhere near my goal; I'm just stopping as an experiment. My weight has continued to drop slowly, and I'm not any hungrier than I was.

Hmmm. I stopped 3 weeks ago and I'm having a similar response regarding weight and hunger.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 24, 2006, 04:15:29 PM
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The strange thing is thinking about switching to maintenance in two or three months when I hit my target.

What are you going to do in maintenance mode? Daily oil, but just less of it? Every other day?

I stopped completely about a week and a half ago, and haven't really noticed much change yet. I'm nowhere near my goal; I'm just stopping as an experiment. My weight has continued to drop slowly, and I'm not any hungrier than I was.

Hmmm. I stopped 3 weeks ago and I'm having a similar response regarding weight and hunger.

Well, my weight loss has slowed down a little, but I expect what I'll do is use less oil, eat fewer bland foods.  I'm thinking at the slower rates (each ten pounds I lose is ten less pounds of fat that needs calories to keep it fed, calories to carry around) I'll probably use less oil.  It would be neat to need only a tablespoon a day instead of two.

I'll experiment when I hit around 160.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: akhdar on July 26, 2006, 12:46:56 PM
Stephen M (Ethesis).

Amazing.

Amazing.

Amazing.

Great news! May you continue to be well, safe, happy...and slim!

Best,

Akhdar
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 26, 2006, 04:08:31 PM
Stephen M (Ethesis).

Amazing.

Amazing.

Amazing.

Great news! May you continue to be well, safe, happy...and slim!

Best,

Akhdar

Thanks. 

I was out with my wife Monday and ended up with a pair of 30/30 Dockers (30" waist, 30" inseam).  She likes the way they look, I'm still nonplussed.  I really did not expect to ever be wearing that size, even at my target weight.

I put them on this morning just to see it again, I couldn't believe they were going to fit.

I'll probably wear them to work on Friday.

I'm really curious where my current intersection of calories and weight will intersect, as I've been eating my "heritage*" diet for quite some time:

Breakfast:  2 eggs, two dry toast (down from 3 eggs, 3 toast, extra butter and 4 oz. oj when I started).

Lunch:  fat-free yougurt, flavored with sugar and a sandwich (two slices dry bread, about 70-80 calories of lunch meat or PB&J).

Dinner:  fat-free yougurt, flavored with sugar and a sandwich (two slices dry bread, about 70-80 calories of lunch meat or PB&J).

Snack:  diet root beer mixed with diet cream soda (I don't like either by themselves and don't drink soda otherwise, it doesn't taste good to me, but blending these two flavors does, so I do sometimes when I feel hungry or dehydrated).

I'm getting a lot of fluid.

At some point my calorie intake will match my calorie needs, I'm curious if I will hit that before I quit losing weight.

I've been thinking of replacing a meal with an SLD protien shake (2-3 types of protien powder, a couple tablespoons of milk or yougurt, spices, ice or ice water, blended) if I my weight loss slows down prematurely.

Anyway, I'm curious about it all, very curious.



*I'm half Greek and I'm eating a lot of yougurt.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: hypatia on July 26, 2006, 05:07:06 PM
*I'm half Greek and I'm eating a lot of yougurt.

*is also half Greek and is eating a lot of yougurt.*   :)  Now if only I can have the same success that you've had on the diet.  :mrgreen:  (Speaking of yogurt, if there's a Trader Joe's near you, you might want to pick up some Fage Total Yogurt (http://www.fageusa.com/products.html) if you haven't tried it already.  It's yogurt done Greek style and it's divine. :D)
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 26, 2006, 08:50:20 PM
*I'm half Greek and I'm eating a lot of yogurt.

*is also half Greek and is eating a lot of yogurt.*   :)  Now if only I can have the same success that you've had on the diet.  :margarine:  (Speaking of yogurt, if there's a Trader Joe's near you, you might want to pick up some Fage Total Yogurt (http://www.fageusa.com/products.html) if you haven't tried it already.  It's yogurt done Greek style and it's divine. :D)

Central Market in Texas carries Fage.  It is the caviar of yogurt, both in price and quality.

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: akhdar on July 27, 2006, 12:12:47 AM
Please, let us not speak of Fage Total yoghurt. Because I have some downstairs and it is calling my name!

I get the full fat one, though, alas. It reminds me of lebneh which is a type of yoghurt in the Middle East made from (wait for it) cream!!!!! God, so decadent.

Stephen M (Ethesis), whatever you are doing sounds like it is working!

Great news!

Keep us posted.

Best,

Akhdar
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 28, 2006, 05:54:26 AM
Please, let us not speak of Fage Total yoghurt. Because I have some downstairs and it is calling my name!

I get the full fat one, though, alas. It reminds me of lebneh which is a type of yoghurt in the Middle East made from (wait for it) cream!!!!! God, so decadent.

Stephen M (Ethesis), whatever you are doing sounds like it is working!

Great news!

Keep us posted.

Best,

Akhdar

Hmm, I'll be at Central Market tonight, maybe I'll pick some up.  There is so much I just don't eat any more.

Otherwise, another week, another plateau, I need to write a FAQ entry on "I'm shrinking, why am I not losing weight?"

Funny line from yesterday.  My wife and other woman were talking.  "Honey, turn around so we can see your waist."  "Er, Steve, we aren't looking at your waist." 

It is weird, I still have moments when putting on pants when my mind goes "that isn't going to fit over my backside" and then it does.  My hips have lost probably 14" or more.

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: akhdar on July 28, 2006, 11:44:39 PM
  My hips have lost probably 14" or more.

That is really a wondrous feat and number. A foot and two inches. Sobering. In a good way.

Best,

Akhdar
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 29, 2006, 07:15:45 AM
  My hips have lost probably 14" or more.

That is really a wondrous feat and number. A foot and two inches. Sobering. In a good way.

Best,

Akhdar

I still have problems believing I'll fit into my pants when I go to put them on.  I'm just looking forward to getting the last fifteen pounds off.  Things slow down.  If I had the time and circumstances to do seven miles a day, they would pick back up, but I'm doing more like nine-ten miles a week.

Still, it is nice.  Even better is seeing other people have similar success.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: arvind on July 29, 2006, 08:52:13 AM
Stephen,

Well done. I am wondering if we can see your latest photographs(may be on ur blog).
It's always inspiring to see before/after photos. One pictures speaks thousand words!!

Anyway, I have learned lot from your posts. Looking at your efforts educating people about Shangri-La, you u should getting doctorate from Shangri-La Diet University :D

-arvind
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 29, 2006, 11:30:02 AM
Stephen,

Well done. I am wondering if we can see your latest photographs(may be on ur blog).
It's always inspiring to see before/after photos. One pictures speaks thousand words!!

Anyway, I have learned lot from your posts. Looking at your efforts educating people about Shangri-La, you u should getting doctorate from Shangri-La Diet University :D

-arvind

At http://ethesis.blogspot.com/2006/07/pictures-free-copies-of-book-etc.html you have pictures, from oldest to newest (though I just shaved again this Sunday.  I need to give in and do a torso picture, though I've got to figure out how to do one without cracking up and laughing at myself for doing something so silly.

You owe me a comment over on my blog for this ;)

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 29, 2006, 11:30:52 AM
Stephen,

Well done. I am wondering if we can see your latest photographs(may be on ur blog).
It's always inspiring to see before/after photos. One pictures speaks thousand words!!

Anyway, I have learned lot from your posts. Looking at your efforts educating people about Shangri-La, you u should getting doctorate from Shangri-La Diet University :D

-arvind

Ever since someone called me the "patron saint of Shangri-la" I've been satisfied ;) (see http://shangriblog.blogspot.com/2006/06/day-28-down-84-lbs.html )

That nick name still makes me smile.
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5315/242/1600/stevebeard4.jpg)
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: akhdar on July 29, 2006, 08:00:22 PM
I still have problems believing I'll fit into my pants when I go to put them on.  I'm just looking forward to getting the last fifteen pounds off.  Things slow down.  If I had the time and circumstances to do seven miles a day, they would pick back up, but I'm doing more like nine-ten miles a week.

Maybe not. Check out our exercise conversation ("Does exercise raise your setpoint?") as begun by Ann H. At this point, we seem to be in agreement that moderate exercise (whatever that means for you) is better than pushing yourself too hard, in terms of the SLD effect.


Best, A.

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: anacara on July 30, 2006, 06:09:02 AM
*I'm half Greek and I'm eating a lot of yougurt.

*is also half Greek and is eating a lot of yougurt.*   :)  Now if only I can have the same success that you've had on the diet.  :mrgreen:  (Speaking of yogurt, if there's a Trader Joe's near you, you might want to pick up some Fage Total Yogurt (http://www.fageusa.com/products.html) if you haven't tried it already.  It's yogurt done Greek style and it's divine. :D)

mmmm... Fage Total - yummm....

I'm half plus half Greek, so I'm very comfortable with my ELOO and sticking to it (of course, would prefer EVOO...  with a hunk of country bread, some fetta cheese and a tomato and olive salad!!). 

Don't quite understand all the fiddling around so many people are doing with weird and wonderful oils...  (well, actually I can see some logic of course, but I feel that they are slighting olive oil, which is practically sacred in my culture!  I'm obviously taking it a bit too personally!)

Stephen - as so many others have said - you are an inspiration.  Hope you reach target weight soon.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 30, 2006, 07:24:25 AM
I still have problems believing I'll fit into my pants when I go to put them on.  I'm just looking forward to getting the last fifteen pounds off.  Things slow down.  If I had the time and circumstances to do seven miles a day, they would pick back up, but I'm doing more like nine-ten miles a week.

Maybe not. Check out our exercise conversation ("Does exercise raise your setpoint?") as begun by Ann H. At this point, we seem to be in agreement that moderate exercise (whatever that means for you) is better than pushing yourself too hard, in terms of the SLD effect.


Best, A.



Walking six or seven miles a day (actually,the number is five miles a day bu tthe course we use is 3.5 miles or 2.5 miles) is about the right tipping point for me.  I've found that any time I can actually get that much walking in, day in day out I lose weight.  But I'm walking, not running it.  Different types of exercise, in different amounts have a marked impact depending on what food choices I make.  When I was at 20 hours of exercise a week, if I reduced fat, I lost weight.  The same dietary changes when I was just getting thirty minutes a day didn't work at all and actually caused me to gain weight.  I found that facinating, especially when I realized that diet/exercise plans that I saw all worked only at the 20 hour plus level.

While swimming is excellent for cardiac rehab and some other effects, it has very minimal effects on total weight.  When I've gotten really out of shape it has been a good entry point for me, but ...

I don't think a 20+ hour program is reasonable for most people.  Especially as that requires at least 14+ hours be mild aerobic exercise.  Sure, if you live in Paris and use the metro, you can get that much walking in a week as a part of your life, but it just doesn't happen most other places once people graduate from college and have children.

Less than those amounts, your appetite increases to go with the exercise.  In fact, those times I've started a program of that sort, and had time, I always ended up gaining weight the first week or so, then losing it.  Except on the SLD.  I've found increased exercise has not seemed to increase my desire to eat, and makes up for not having the fat hanging around to generate metabolic load.

But my exercise isn't that extreme.  Weights once a week.  Judo twice a week in an adult novice class.  Walking PRN (well, when my wife or daughter are interested in walking with me, I just can't get myself to walk by myself).

I'd like to add some stretching to that, and maybe just a little kata.  Mostly just walking a little more.  I have to confess that when I was 240 I just couldn't walk enough to make a difference.  A mile here, a mile there, that was all I could do.

Bottom line:  I agree, moderate exercise to mild exercise is by far better for the purposes we have.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 30, 2006, 07:35:14 AM
*I'm half Greek and I'm eating a lot of yougurt.

*is also half Greek and is eating a lot of yougurt.*   :)  Now if only I can have the same success that you've had on the diet.  :mrgreen:  (Speaking of yogurt, if there's a Trader Joe's near you, you might want to pick up some Fage Total Yogurt (http://www.fageusa.com/products.html) if you haven't tried it already.  It's yogurt done Greek style and it's divine. :D)

mmmm... Fage Total - yummm....

I'm half plus half Greek, so I'm very comfortable with my ELOO and sticking to it (of course, would prefer EVOO...  with a hunk of country bread, some fetta cheese and a tomato and olive salad!!). 

Don't quite understand all the fiddling around so many people are doing with weird and wonderful oils...  (well, actually I can see some logic of course, but I feel that they are slighting olive oil, which is practically sacred in my culture!  I'm obviously taking it a bit too personally!)

Stephen - as so many others have said - you are an inspiration.  Hope you reach target weight soon.


I've a Lebanese co-worker who just wanted to have the olive oil as a side dish with garlic salt and bread -- a mid morning snack.

He's now doing it "correctly" with ELOO and is the source of the "I'm shrinking but I'm not losing weight" FAQ entry (his complaint was the one that pushed that common question up to frequent).  Of course he can now wear his wedding ring and in the "shrinking" area had lost more than an inch off his waist and was thinking of a new belt.  I pointed out to him that if he is shrinking, and if his waist is shrinking, what more does he really need?

Many Americans find the texture/mouth feel of ELOO causes them to gag.  They find it very hard to use.  Sugar water has too much water (and they can't bring themselves to believe that sugar cubes, eaten straight, will work) or sugar doesn't work for them (because of diabetes or other issues).  Canola oil has the highest incidence of side effects.

So they are stretching and looking for something a little more palatable.  If you've grown up with olive oil, that isn't a problem.  Doesn't seem to bother Seth at all.  I still choke when drinking oil and I've been at it since December or so of last year.  Grapeseed oil is "lighter" and provokes the gag reflex less, the same for walnut oil (grapeseed is very heavy on Omega 6, walnut on Omega 3).  But it is the gagging on ELOO that is pushing people to try other things.

Honestly, if gagging were a real problem for me, I'd go back to swirling it with water.  That works for me.  I have to confess that the effort to do the water swirl is more than the gagging is bad for me, now that I use a blend of walnut and ELOO.  It also is kind of like a repeated rite of passage.

Anyway, that is why the fiddling. Probably why ELOO is illegal in some parts of the world, too.  I don't read of anyone having that problem with EVOO, it just doesn't work for SLD purposes.

Though a little olive oil, some garlic salt and bread ... that is really divine.  Add in just a touch of mixed salads and the tomatos and olives ... You've got it.  We have feta cheese in the fridge right now, had it on the salad last night.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on July 30, 2006, 07:52:38 AM
Update:

173.0 this morning.

Did some measurements, in response to the thread on "what size are my pants, really."

I'm 5'5" tall.

Calf 15.75"
Thigh 23.75"
Waist 31.75" (ok, the 30/30 Dockers are loose fit and fit just right, I like the 32/30 in other pants I'm wearing and they fit very well, which makes sense.  I was right to guess that somewhere around the mid 30s pants sizes get closer to true sizes).
Chest 43" (losing weight I've lost an inch there too).  Neck 16.5 (lost an inch or so on my neck since starting:  I was wearing 17.5" shirts, but having trouble buttoning the colors).
Biceps 13.5.

Interesting.  Last time I was this weight I think I was an inch larger every where but the neck and chest (neck was the same 16.5, chest was only a 42, waist was probably a 33-34).

I'm three pounds heavier than I had hoped to be today, but that fits in with actually gaining 3-4 pounds on the midnight oil routine.

I've got some very soft fat left, but minimal skin folds (I guess I should take a picture, but I just can't bring myself to do it).  I'm not sure if SLD weight loss is why the skin hasn't left a huge fold or if it is just that I have tight skin.  I need to hear from others who have lost 60-70 or more pounds about their experience there before I can generalize from that.

Goals for August:

Walk a little more (moderate to mild exercise).  I'd like to be 165 by the end of August (which would be eight pounds for the month of August).  Hit a Judo tournament on the 17th of August.  Keep up the weight lifting and start some stretching on August 1.

My overall goal is to be at my target (159/160) by November 13th and my one year mark.  I've already hit my initial target of 178.  I'd have told you pigs would fly before I got below 172 again (that was my old weight class for Judo competition -- back in the pre-metric days).  Now I'm hoping to easily beat that before August 13, which is my next "official" bench mark (I benchmark on the 13th of each month).

More Yogurt.  Maybe I'll splurge and get myself some more Fage next time I'm at Central Market.  I got some rice protien there, and it really is mild.  They also carry the unflavored/natural DesignerWhey.  Only in the smaller cans, but it is exactly half the price of the cans twice as large, so I didn't feel ripped off.  Whole Foods has Jay Robb, so I'll get further down Coit and buy some of that later.

Currently eating:

Breakfast:  2 eggs, 2 slcies dry toast, vitamins, one fish oil, one glucocamine (sp?  the joint stuff.  It works for some peple in treating/preventing arthritis.  Since it has a major impact on my mom, I hope I'm genetically in the group it works for).

Lunch:  Sandwich, yogurt with sugar (2-3 kinds of fat free yogurt, blended).

Dinner:  Sandwich, protien shake (eaten seperately, I'm taking the protien shake as flavorless calories rather than the extra credit crazy spicing varient Seth is suggesting).

Very mild calorie reduction from having yogurt for dinner as well.  Just playing right now.

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on August 01, 2006, 07:58:35 PM

It is really neat to see people moving into the three month+ category.

I've gone back to yogurt instead of smoothies, I need to just grit my teeth and do it.  I *like* the yogurt though.

Back on a plateau, I'm hoping for another drop in weight starting Sunday.  Seems I'm on a routine of two weeks plateau, two weeks losing weight.

Every so often that breaks up a little, but it seems pretty regular.

When I can keep the exercise up, the plateaus don't seem to happen as much, but getting the walking in can be hard.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: imsovain on August 01, 2006, 08:11:27 PM
Arthritis, eh?  You might be interested in

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/archives/2006/07/ditch_your_nsai.html

and

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/archives/2006/07/why_krill_oil.html
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: barleyblair on August 02, 2006, 03:23:32 PM
Stephen, earlier you said "I'm updating my best practices summary ..."  Where could I find that summary?  Five and a half weeks away, and I am just drowning in the explosion of information in the forums.  It's wonderful, of course, but I don't want to miss some gem of an idea just because there are so many other ideas available.

I'm with your wife on the beard.  Nice beard.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on August 02, 2006, 04:05:48 PM
Stephen, earlier you said "I'm updating my best practices summary ..."  Where could I find that summary?  Five and a half weeks away, and I am just drowning in the explosion of information in the forums.  It's wonderful, of course, but I don't want to miss some gem of an idea just because there are so many other ideas available.

I'm with your wife on the beard.  Nice beard.


http://ethesis.blogspot.com/2006/06/shangri-la-diet-best-practices.html

http://ethesis.blogspot.com/2006/07/problems-with-shangri-la-diet.html

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; darn, I've lost 67 pounds!
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on August 05, 2006, 10:41:00 AM

I thought I'd blog just a bit on http://ethesis.blogspot.com/2006/08/what-if-shangri-la-diet-doesnt-work.html

I have not gotten to advanced topics (nose clips, crazy-spice shakes, etc.), just the first wave of thoughts and comments.

I'd love suggestions or advice.
Title: Down to 172.0 this morning's weigh in
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on August 06, 2006, 06:18:23 AM
That was neat.  Made me feel good to realize I'm still making progress and I think I'm back to normal after that bubble.

I'm beginning to appreciate how ditto foods affect things as well as the value of bland foods.  I'm still thinking of the line between ditto and bland, but it has been interesting.

It is fun to run into people (still) who suddenly notice I've lost weight.  Some are more expressive than others.  Gave away another book.

If I were planning the SLD movement, I'm not sure what I'd do next.  I think when the "three months or more" board can become a "six months or more" board" and when we get a "I've lost enough weight, teach me more about maintenance" board (which is really pretty simple, cut back on the calories until you hit a balance, though there are lots of sub topics I can think of), it will be time for the next book and more publicity.  I'd say when Elle and Womans World run their stories we will see a big wave of interest.  Then about two-three months after that would be a time for a follow-up "hey, I tried a lot of diets, but they all failed me after a month.  This one is still working!" sorts of stories to be pushed to women's magazines (which are steady consumers of weight loss stories).
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; down 68 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on August 09, 2006, 04:30:00 PM

I've got a Judo tournament next week.  My first in about twenty-five or so years.  I won't be struggling to make weight (since I'm well under the weight class line of 178), but I will, in the future, hope to make 160.

I'm looking forward to it.  Who would have thought of me in the middle weights!?

Title: 171 this morning at my benchmark weigh-in
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on August 12, 2006, 08:23:49 AM

I'm so pleased.  172 was the weight class I competed in Judo when I was in college.  (They went metric and changed the weight classes, so that is ancient history now).

BTW, I've posted more on plateaus at http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?topic=1835.0

I spend about half my time on plateaus.  Given that I've lost sixty-nine pounds in nine months, I've learned to realize that plateaus are not the terrible thing I thought they were.

On a normal diet, a plateau happens for one of two reasons:

1.  The diet has failed.

2.  Your metabolism has shut off.

I don't know why SLD plateaus occur, but having gone through a lot of them (I'd say seven or so, each about half a month), it doesn't mean failure and none of the tell-tale signs of a metabolism shut off have happened either.

Plateaus are not failure!
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; down 68 pounds
Post by: Jenn on August 12, 2006, 08:35:14 AM
Stephen,
   It is really great to see how your persistence and sticking to SLD in spite of plateaus has payed off greatly.
I am happy for you.  Excess weight is not a nice thing, and learning how to get rid of it without "suffering" through your diet is just awesome!

Jenn
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; down 68 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on August 12, 2006, 10:05:44 AM
Stephen,
   It is really great to see how your persistence and sticking to SLD in spite of plateaus has payed off greatly.
I am happy for you.  Excess weight is not a nice thing, and learning how to get rid of it without "suffering" through your diet is just awesome!

Jenn

Thanks.

One side effect is that my "willpower" as to food is dramatically less.  I haven't exercised it at all for nine months.  I have religious days of obligation that involve fasts and for the first time in my life they are difficult for me.

But, I'd rather be this way than suffer and fail ...

Wish you the best on your diet as well.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; down 68 pounds
Post by: Jenn on August 12, 2006, 11:19:56 AM
I don't quite understand about your finding "fast sunday" difficult.  Is it because you don't take the oil on that day, (in theory I suppose that you wouldn't, since there is no eating or drinking) is that why it is harder now? 

Just curious.
Jenn
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; down 68 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on August 12, 2006, 01:46:16 PM
I don't quite understand about your finding "fast sunday" difficult.  Is it because you don't take the oil on that day, (in theory I suppose that you wouldn't, since there is no eating or drinking) is that why it is harder now? 

Just curious.
Jenn

Because it is the only time I have to use willpower to resist eating.

Seems silly, but the only time I have to resist eating is fast Sunday, once a month.  Before, when I was in a constant (though losing) fight against eating, I resisted all the time.  Now, I only resist once a month.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; down 68 pounds
Post by: dgrillot2000 on August 12, 2006, 01:50:38 PM
Seems silly, but the only time I have to resist eating is fast Sunday

~~~~~~~~`

Stephen,

I am curious.  Does the fasting exclude medication?  If so, one could make the argument (legitimately so I do believe) that the oil is a medication.

dg
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; down 68 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on August 12, 2006, 04:34:00 PM
Seems silly, but the only time I have to resist eating is fast Sunday

~~~~~~~~`

Stephen,

I am curious.  Does the fasting exclude medication?  If so, one could make the argument (legitimately so I do believe) that the oil is a medication.

dg

Even with the oil as medication, I still find the twenty-four hour fast actually requires work, whereas before it was much easier.

Just an interesting point.  Everyone thinks I must have developed willpower of iron.  In reality, I need much less willpower on the SLD.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; down 68 pounds
Post by: Ann H on August 12, 2006, 11:38:41 PM
Count yourself lucky, Stephen: I've got a 19-day fast coming up in March (unless I'm still breastfeeding then), and our Muslim brothers and sisters have a 28-day fast starting in September. :) (For those not familiar with the Baha'i and Muslim fasts, it's no water or food from sunrise to sunset--Baha'i--or dawn to dusk--Muslim--each day.)

I'm glad you posted that fasting is not easier on SLD: I thought it would be, and was rather bummed at this prospect, as I always thought the difficulty was part of the point and the benefit. Looks like fasting will continue to be a great opportunity to learn patience, strength, and detachment. Good news!
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; down 68 pounds
Post by: Jenn on August 13, 2006, 06:23:46 AM
Stephen
  Ok now I understand, thanks.  (by the way, I used to be LDS, born and raised.  left the faith about 2 years ago. Parents and 1 sister are stilll very active)
  That is why I asked about the fast sunday thing.  I used to find it not too hard.  Actually, I still like to go without a couple of meals once in a while ( a bit of an old habit I suppose ).  I find it does make the mind brighter and seems to "detox" the body. 
LDS, SLD seems like these letters have good things attached to them. :D

Ann H
    Good luck with your upcoming fast.  fasting has always had spiritual impact throughout history.  Like I said, it makes everything a little clearer and sharpens the senses.  Makes communication with the creator seem a little easier and more meaningful.

Jenn
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; down 68 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on August 13, 2006, 06:58:49 AM
Count yourself lucky, Stephen: I've got a 19-day fast coming up in March (unless I'm still breastfeeding then), and our Muslim brothers and sisters have a 28-day fast starting in September. :) (For those not familiar with the Baha'i and Muslim fasts, it's no water or food from sunrise to sunset--Baha'i--or dawn to dusk--Muslim--each day.)

I'm glad you posted that fasting is not easier on SLD: I thought it would be, and was rather bummed at this prospect, as I always thought the difficulty was part of the point and the benefit. Looks like fasting will continue to be a great opportunity to learn patience, strength, and detachment. Good news!

I think so.  I think I get more from it than I have for the past ten or twenty years.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; down 68 pounds
Post by: Ann H on August 13, 2006, 07:03:01 AM
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I think I get more from it than I have for the past ten or twenty years.

Wow! That alone is a great reason to to SLD. Now we can "preach" it to all our fasting brothers and sisters, fat or not! Do SLD, enhance your fasting... :)
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; down 68 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on August 16, 2006, 04:29:48 AM
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I think I get more from it than I have for the past ten or twenty years.

Wow! That alone is a great reason to to SLD. Now we can "preach" it to all our fasting brothers and sisters, fat or not! Do SLD, enhance your fasting... :)

Though the kind of enhancement ... ;)

I hit 170 this week.  170.0/169.5  It is such an unreal feeling as I start to get towards my target weight.

BTW, for anyone who is interested:

http://ethesis.blogspot.com/2006/08/myogenic-weight-lifting-shangri-la.html

explains how I do my weight lifting and collects links to all my diet related blog posts.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; down 68 pounds
Post by: Jenn on August 16, 2006, 04:59:26 AM
Stephen,
  I must say you should feel absolutely elated!  I bet when you look back at old photos and think back to your "fat" clothes, you cringe a little and ask yourself how the weight ever got so out of control in the first place.  SLD really is a marvelous discovery on the part of Seth.  It goes to prove what a little trial and error really can do in ways of making a discovery.
   My scale finally budged for the first time on SLD. it is 9 weeks now, but at week 8 it moved!  I think I can attribute it to eating a very low GI diet.  (Seth had said that high GI foods are "ditto")  I am taking the "french" approach being that I live in Quebec and all, I can find all of the great cheese that I want.  I try get maximum pleasure out of every meal, savoring, eating like a queen, but with such a small appetite these days, I really need to take small bites or the pleasure ends in about 10 mouthfulls.

I am amazed at how the appetite has diminished so much since purposely reducing grain products and upping vegetables etc.  I was not that heavy on the grains, or flour based foods, but I suppose their GI was just too high especially isolated in a "snack" and the flavorless oil calories just couldn't keep up.
I have even reduced the oil and the appetite is still very low.

Yay for SLD

Jenn
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; down 68 pounds
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on August 16, 2006, 10:22:38 AM
Stephen,
  I must say you should feel absolutely elated!  I bet when you look back at old photos and think back to your "fat" clothes, you cringe a little and ask yourself how the weight ever got so out of control in the first place.  SLD really is a marvelous discovery on the part of Seth.  It goes to prove what a little trial and error really can do in ways of making a discovery.
   My scale finally budged for the first time on SLD. it is 9 weeks now, but at week 8 it moved!  I think I can attribute it to eating a very low GI diet.  (Seth had said that high GI foods are "ditto")  I am taking the "french" approach being that I live in Quebec and all, I can find all of the great cheese that I want.  I try get maximum pleasure out of every meal, savoring, eating like a queen, but with such a small appetite these days, I really need to take small bites or the pleasure ends in about 10 mouthfulls.

I am amazed at how the appetite has diminished so much since purposely reducing grain products and upping vegetables etc.  I was not that heavy on the grains, or flour based foods, but I suppose their GI was just too high especially isolated in a "snack" and the flavorless oil calories just couldn't keep up.
I have even reduced the oil and the appetite is still very low.

Yay for SLD

Jenn

Thanks.

I am elated, though I look at the fat photos and go, gee, I was fat. 

My mom has lost thirty pounds on SLD and is really happy.  She finds, like you do, that she just can't eat like she used to, so she is careful when she is trying to eat her favorite foods. ;)
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; lost 70 pounds as of 08/15
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on August 21, 2006, 08:39:16 PM

Well, another plateau.  I was reading some notes from the last couple of plateaus, one about fourteen pounds ago ... suddenly made them seem friendly and positive signs.  Every plateau is a sign that I'm going to lose weight again.

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; lost 70 pounds as of 08/15
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on August 26, 2006, 04:16:56 PM

Well, another plateau.  I was reading some notes from the last couple of plateaus, one about fourteen pounds ago ... suddenly made them seem friendly and positive signs.  Every plateau is a sign that I'm going to lose weight again.



Down half a pound.

I'm glad I got the Tanita, it helps me know when my other scale is acting up.  Usually the two scales are exactly a pound different, every-so-often that springs out to two and a half.  If I just reweigh, the difference goes away.  That helps me understand some fluctuations I saw, they were scale induced, not real.

Another half pound down.  For me, that is "still in the plateau" but reading my notes from earlier plateaus suddenly made this one much more tolerable.

Will I make my goal by September?  Nope, I'm pretty sure I'm going to miss it.  Does it matter?  Not really.  I'm a month behind from the midnight oil failure (it just did not work for me), but I'm still doing fine.  No longer matters to me like it used to.

Strange to be so at peace about my weight, and so close to where I expect to stay for the rest of my life.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; lost 70 pounds as of 08/15
Post by: anacara on August 26, 2006, 07:44:01 PM

Will I make my goal by September?  Nope, I'm pretty sure I'm going to miss it.  Does it matter?  Not really.  I'm a month behind from the midnight oil failure (it just did not work for me), but I'm still doing fine.  No longer matters to me like it used to.

Strange to be so at peace about my weight, and so close to where I expect to stay for the rest of my life.

I'm sure many of us can relate to this.  In the past, when I had tried to lose weight, the speed of the weight loss had been important to me, because I wanted the pain of it to be over ASAP, promising myself that once I'd reached my goal weight, I would eat sensibly and thus maintain it.  I'd even had hare-brained ideas about saving up for liposuction.  Now that I have 2 months' solid proof of the ease and efficacy of SLD (I have lost nearly 5.5kg/12lbs, with another 7kg/15lbs or so to go), I am much more relaxed about the whole deal.  I've been very irregular with my doses for the last 2 weeks, because of holidays/change of job/nasty flu cum wisdom tooth infection, but I'm really not too worried.  Once I'm back in a routine, it will all fall back into place, and one day, before I know it, I'll be down at my target weight.

Stephen, any new torso shots for us??   :)
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; lost 70 pounds as of 08/15
Post by: splitbamboo on August 28, 2006, 09:26:12 AM
I'm thinking that 12 months to go the 60 lbs I need to lose is just fine. Though I'd like to do it faster, the slow steadiness is reassuring. As is reading Stephen's posts...
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; lost 70 pounds as of 08/15
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on August 28, 2006, 10:27:02 AM
I'm thinking that 12 months to go the 60 lbs I need to lose is just fine. Though I'd like to do it faster, the slow steadiness is reassuring. As is reading Stephen's posts...

Thank you.  I'm getting calmer about the last ten pounds.  Seems strange to be there.  I've resisted the temptation to just start drinking smoothies and jogging a couple miles every morning to try and break something loose quickly -- no more crash and burn dieting for me, not when this has worked so well.

To be in control, to be calm, to not feel guilt or conficted emotions about my eating, yet to feel emotions.  I wasn't sure about Shangri-la as a name for the method or diet, but it really is a Shangri-la sort of state I've reached.

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; lost 70 pounds as of 08/15
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on August 29, 2006, 06:02:48 PM
I was so sad today, but it didn't drive me to eating.

That is amazing still.  May very well be the roughest week I'll have this year, I surely hope so, though fear is often with me at times like this.

But, my weight is down a pound this week, down to 169 this morning -- usually it would be up five pounds by now.

My life has really changed with SLD.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; lost 70 pounds as of 08/15
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on September 01, 2006, 02:33:23 PM
I was so sad today, but it didn't drive me to eating.

That is amazing still.  May very well be the roughest week I'll have this year, I surely hope so, though fear is often with me at times like this.

But, my weight is down a pound this week, down to 169 this morning -- usually it would be up five pounds by now.

My life has really changed with SLD.


Well, I made it through the 31st of August and the reminder of Robin's death.  Sigh, I miss her so, but feeling it without food blocking emotion was better than just eating it away again.

Had my yogurt and a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for lunch, just for old times sake (I at a lot of PB&J when I started the diet, now it is mostly lunch meat of some sort).

Time to go work out, they let us out of work early today to celebrate labor day.

I'm down 71 pounds or so, that is neat.  Guess I need to change my subject line again.  I'm walking in the mornings with Win (we drop Rachel off at school and then off for a walk) and she is such a joy.  Heather is at college and missing us as we miss her.  Good for all of us, I think.

Hmm, the book is above six thousand in sales at Amazon, so it is still doing ok.  That is good news.

Wonder when we will see a second book on the diet, one that has the updates and upgrades and such?  I'm hoping for one next year.

Just meandering, but grateful for continued weight loss.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; lost 70 pounds as of 08/15
Post by: Marianna on September 01, 2006, 03:41:41 PM
S--Thinking of you and Robin today --I've been to your website and I know about your losses--you are an incredibly brave and lovely man--and my heart goes out to you--congratulations on weathering this anniversary without food--blessings to you--

Marianna
Title: A soft rain
Post by: xtine on September 02, 2006, 10:13:57 PM
Steven-  I want to second Marianna's wishes and send kind thoughts your way.  I'm thinking of you and your family, and feeling glad for you that food isn't taking the place of grief any more ("glad" isn't quite the right word--- but I hope you know what I mean). 

Here it is raining, a steady calm rain after storms shook the trees and houses for a little while.  There are newly planted trees in the garden and we are tired from digging and planting.  It's nice to go to sleep thinking of the trees' shocked roots settling in to their new earth, soothed by rain.   -  peace--- xtine
Title: Re: A soft rain
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on September 03, 2006, 04:02:29 AM
Steven-  I want to second Marianna's wishes and send kind thoughts your way.  I'm thinking of you and your family, and feeling glad for you that food isn't taking the place of grief any more ("glad" isn't quite the right word--- but I hope you know what I mean). 

Here it is raining, a steady calm rain after storms shook the trees and houses for a little while.  There are newly planted trees in the garden and we are tired from digging and planting.  It's nice to go to sleep thinking of the trees' shocked roots settling in to their new earth, soothed by rain.   -  peace--- xtine

The peace of rain is really sweet.  We are praying for rain locally.

Thanks to everyone for the kind thoughts.
Title: Re: A soft rain
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on September 06, 2006, 04:30:39 PM
Steven-  I want to second Marianna's wishes and send kind thoughts your way.  I'm thinking of you and your family, and feeling glad for you that food isn't taking the place of grief any more ("glad" isn't quite the right word--- but I hope you know what I mean). 

Here it is raining, a steady calm rain after storms shook the trees and houses for a little while.  There are newly planted trees in the garden and we are tired from digging and planting.  It's nice to go to sleep thinking of the trees' shocked roots settling in to their new earth, soothed by rain.   -  peace--- xtine

The peace of rain is really sweet.  We are praying for rain locally.

Thanks to everyone for the kind thoughts.


Well, back on bland food, ready to start losing weight again after the week end and labor day.

More Judo. ;)
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on September 10, 2006, 04:53:23 PM

Well, looks like I will have lost about two pounds from the last benchmark, come the 13th or so.  That is two pounds in thirty days.  I think my weight loss is gliding to a halt, all in all.

Depending on exercise, etc. I will probably slowly approach my target weight (about eight pounds from here), but I think I'm going to call what I'm doing now maintenance.  If somehow I drop much below 160 I'll adjust, but at about 168 I think I'm pretty much where I'm going.  2-3 pounds a month, compared to the last year, is about a glide towards the finish.

November 13-Dec 11          16 pounds lost
Dec 13 to Jan 13                 9.5 pounds lost
Jan 13 to Feb 12                 7.0 pounds lost
Feb 13 to Mar 13                 5.5 pounds lost
Mar 13 to Apr 13                 8.5 pounds lost (added Judo)
Apr 13 to May 13                 8.5 pounds lost (also walked about 15 miles a week)
May 13 to June 13               7.5 pounds lost
June 13 to Jul 13                 2.5 pounds lost (includes gaining weight while experimenting with midnight oil)
Jul 13 to Aug 13                  4.5 pounds lost
Aug 13 to Sept 13               estimate 2.0 pounds lost, maybe 2.5 (will see)(virtually no walking).

Start 240+ and currently at approx 168 (using my benchmark scale, Tanita is consistently 1.5 pounds heavier than benchmark).

I've around 5-6 pounds of belly fat (estimate, my wife thinks 3-4) and I think a couple-three pounds of excess visceral fat.


Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: TalkingRat on September 10, 2006, 05:01:53 PM


Totally awesome!!
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on September 10, 2006, 06:15:08 PM


Totally awesome!!

Awesome will be when I finally have washboard abs :)

At least I have the muscle there, just need to get rid of that last layer of fat.

But I don't feel inclined to rush anything.  Guess I'll try the noseclips with breakfast, they just came in.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: tarheelatheart on September 13, 2006, 09:09:52 PM
You are an amazing success story. You know those abs are generally genetic. Congrats. It took me a while to shed six pounds and it does take some attention to make sure it stays where it is. But I find it's possilble and not too difficult.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Seth Roberts on September 14, 2006, 03:43:59 AM
Congratulations, Stephen. You are an inspiration to the rest of us -- even me.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: frenata on September 14, 2006, 05:38:30 AM
So is it time to add the maintenance section? Stephen M. is probably going to be pretty lonely in there for a while, but it'll give the rest of us aspirations.

Seriously, I'm going to be very interested to see how much SLD people are going to have to do to maintain a weight they're already happy with. It'll be months and months before I get there, but (ohplease, ohplease, ohplease) years and years once I make it. Those insights would be handy to have before I arrive.

Though I'm sure many who reach their goals won't have much interest in continuing to frequent a dieting forum, if y'all could leave us some insights before you walk out the door, it will be much appreciated.

(Which isn't a hint, Stephen. You should hang around and be our poster boy.)
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: rickm on September 14, 2006, 10:42:39 AM
Congrats, Ethesis. Amazing job!
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on September 14, 2006, 11:15:37 AM
Congrats, Ethesis. Amazing job!


Thanks.  I was down another pound this morning (down to 73 pounds lost), but I'm not telling my wife.  I figure I can eventually work out what maintenance is and will take.  But I really wanted to experiment with nose clips first.

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: dgrillot2000 on September 14, 2006, 03:30:23 PM
Stephen,

Congratulations on you weight loss.

I do have a question though.  Did you stick with the oil all the way through?  Or did you experiment with noseclips, crazy spicing, smoothies, or other variations?

DG
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on September 14, 2006, 04:03:29 PM
Stephen,

Congratulations on you weight loss.

I do have a question though.  Did you stick with the oil all the way through?  Or did you experiment with noseclips, crazy spicing, smoothies, or other variations?

DG

I started with sugar water, which gave me an immediate result.  I was doing this when people thought you needed a lot of dilution -- two liters of water and 2/3 cup of sugar.

I then started taking a tablespoon of oil when I couldn't take the time for the trips to get rid of the water.  Talked with Seth and realized I needed to take two tablespoons of oil to equal about a quarter to a third cup of sugar.

Then I switched to the oil.  Tried adding in protien shakes for breakfast (water and flavorless protien).  At the same time I upped my exercise, which lasted a couple of months and then tapered off (work schedules, my babysitter went off to college, that sort of thing).  The shift from 4.5 lbs a month to 8.5 lbs a month loss happens then.

But pretty much oil all the way through, after the first 15 pounds or so.  I plan on oil for maintenance.

I'm playing around with protien powder in water and nose clips right now.  The combination results in a little bit of appetite loss, over all, in the course of a day.  I think my metabolism is also moving just a little faster.  I'll know in a couple weeks.  Guess I should change just one variable.

But I plan to drop the nose clips at the end of the month, go off the protien powder for a trip, and then back on the powder, but not nose clips, when I get back home.  Should be interesting to see how October goes.  I'm thinking I am going to glide into maintenance at about two tablespoons of oil, one tablespoon of sugar a day.

I'll know in a month or two how much I need to tweak that. 

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: dgrillot2000 on September 15, 2006, 12:05:08 PM
But pretty much oil all the way through, after the first 15 pounds or so.  I plan on oil for maintenance.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

Thanks for the info.  I agree with your approach to achieve dieter nirvana.

I have also pretty much been following the 2 to 3 tbsp of oil per day.  After the first week or so I tried to add Sugar/Fructose water and that was OK particularly when I out of the house and I am not near my oil stash.  However, I find the oil so convenient.....no mixing....no stirring....no noseclips (which I hate).....no messing with concocting ingredients....etc.  Generally, the 2 tbsp of oil has worked very well for me although I have had a few setbacks do to illnesses. 

My main curiosity now, not only for myself but for others, is how to avoid these plateaus.  During the plateaus my appetite is suppressed and I eat somewhere between 1300 and 1600 calories per day including the oil calories, but still no weight loss.  At my height and weight the numbers just don't add up.  I should be losing between 1 and 2 pounds per week.  The only thing which explains this to me is that my body's metabolism is depressed during these plateaus, and it simply takes time for it to readjust.   Therefore,  I do not see that changing from the oil is going to imporove on that kind of caloric intake.

I am willing to stick to my daily regime and work patiently through the plateaus letting them run their course...... if it aint broke don't fix it.

The only variations I have pursued is to change the oil types in the first month or so.  Although I tried canola and ELOO,  after reading many of the posts on this forum I settled on coconut oil in the morning and walnut oil in the afternoon.

Anyway, your response to my original query has encouraged me to stick with what has worked in the past.   So thanks for your input.

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on September 15, 2006, 05:31:16 PM

My main curiosity now, not only for myself but for others, is how to avoid these plateaus.  During the plateaus my appetite is suppressed and I eat somewhere between 1300 and 1600 calories per day including the oil calories, but still no weight loss.  At my height and weight the numbers just don't add up.  I should be losing between 1 and 2 pounds per week.  The only thing which explains this to me is that my body's metabolism is depressed during these plateaus, and it simply takes time for it to readjust.   Therefore,  I do not see that changing from the oil is going to imporove on that kind of caloric intake.

I am willing to stick to my daily regime and work patiently through the plateaus letting them run their course...... if it aint broke don't fix it.


That is pretty much what I've concluded.  Just ride the plateaus out, they are normal and unavoidable -- but they end, they are not a sign of failure.


Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on September 17, 2006, 04:55:37 PM

My main curiosity now, not only for myself but for others, is how to avoid these plateaus.  During the plateaus my appetite is suppressed and I eat somewhere between 1300 and 1600 calories per day including the oil calories, but still no weight loss.  At my height and weight the numbers just don't add up.  I should be losing between 1 and 2 pounds per week.  The only thing which explains this to me is that my body's metabolism is depressed during these plateaus, and it simply takes time for it to readjust.   Therefore,  I do not see that changing from the oil is going to imporove on that kind of caloric intake.

I am willing to stick to my daily regime and work patiently through the plateaus letting them run their course...... if it aint broke don't fix it.


That is pretty much what I've concluded.  Just ride the plateaus out, they are normal and unavoidable -- but they end, they are not a sign of failure.



I thought I'd define a plateau.  Lets consider my benchmark weigh in (which happens every month on or about the 13th).  I was 167.5 -- down about three pounds from the 170.5 I was a month before.  But, September 3 I was 168.5 and I was about 168.5/168 this morning.  I expect that I will probably be to 167 by the 24, but my weight will bobble around until the thirtieth or so, and will probably be 165 or 164.5 on my benchmark weigh in on October 13th.  That's my best guess right now.  I'll hit a low around mid month, bobble around, and then lose weight the first two weeks of the month.  It would look like a sine curve with the drop at the first two weeks and the flat part the second two weeks.

\
 \
  ________
                \
                 \

(Hmm, looks too steep, but it is the best I can do with a keyboard.

Hope that explains it.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on September 18, 2006, 08:11:29 PM

I've also put a new post up at my blog:

http://ethesis.blogspot.com/2006/09/starting-or-starttng-over-sld-method.html

Kind of an "intro to SLD" approach.  Addresses a number of issues (i.e. adjusting to oil, the fact that some people get stuck unless they take a combination of sugar water and oil, using food plans with low glycemic index foods, etc.

It is a "first two months" outline.

I'm thinking of a "second two months" outline with some simple suggestions, such as Wharton stretching or "almost HIT" weight lifting, that sort of thing, exercises most people can do, nose clips and such.

For the "third two months" I think I'll add nose clips and smoothies.

For the "continue onwards" a link to Kathy Seirra (darn, need to check the spelling) or some other program that gives you a year of different meals and flavors, home made, in reasonable time.

I'm still thinking about it.

Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: tekayla on September 19, 2006, 12:02:38 PM
Congrats Stephen
I too am in maintenance although when I tried on a pair of black skinny jeans (I hear they are coming back in style, go figure) I wore when I first met my husband 14+ years ago and couldn't zip them up I was thinking well maybe just a few more pounds until I can wear them comfortably. Have I created a monster??? A while back just the thought of making the 160 mark made me want to do the Happy Dance.

So congrats and I intend to weigh in on schedule every Thursday to show just how well SLD works not only for losing the pounds but keeping them off as well.

All the best to you

Kayla
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: falconcy on September 19, 2006, 01:52:08 PM
I'm still up at the higher end of the scale. I took a couple of days break and after restarting, the appetite suppression is back with a vengeance, plus I discovered sushi  :D

Methinks most of my protein sourced will now be from fish/seafood sources. Never realised just how cheap it could work out in sushi amounts. It's the rice/nori that is expensive for me.

I have a long way still to go and I know the set point can be a biatch to come down, but I am not gaining and I feel a lot better.

Reading your story is so inspiring as it just shows what is achievable and seeing you go through the plateaus shows the light at the end of the tunnel.

Syxarithiria file mou  :)
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on September 19, 2006, 07:00:33 PM
Congrats Stephen
I too am in maintenance although when I tried on a pair of black skinny jeans (I hear they are coming back in style, go figure) I wore when I first met my husband 14+ years ago and couldn't zip them up I was thinking well maybe just a few more pounds until I can wear them comfortably. Have I created a monster??? A while back just the thought of making the 160 mark made me want to do the Happy Dance.

So congrats and I intend to weigh in on schedule every Thursday to show just how well SLD works not only for losing the pounds but keeping them off as well.

All the best to you

Kayla

Neat, isn't it?  I'm ten pounds lighter than where I expected to reach if all my dreams came true ... and then some ;)
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: tarheelatheart on September 20, 2006, 07:17:29 PM
Wow, an extra 10 more than you thought. Holy Cow. I, too, am in maintenance and it took a while to drop 6 pounds, May 1 to the end of August.

But I feel like I have a plan that I can live with and maintain. I know 6 pounds seems like so little to everyone out there but I worked hard at it in addition to SLD. What I mean is that I upped the running. I had thought I was going to do a half marathon with my husband and his family but fallout from brain surgeries was making it difficult. I'm lucky I can run at all and just decided it wasn't worth unhinging over a half million dollars worth of work on my brain to do a half marathon at the age of 44. I'm an 8k girl and thrilled with that. I feel not one ounce of defeat whatsoever.

I, too, want to try the noseclips so I ordered some. I know I can't eat with them but I think I could do the smoothies. It's out of curiosity more than anything else.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on September 20, 2006, 07:50:12 PM
Wow, an extra 10 more than you thought. Holy Cow. I, too, am in maintenance and it took a while to drop 6 pounds, May 1 to the end of August.

But I feel like I have a plan that I can live with and maintain. I know 6 pounds seems like so little to everyone out there but I worked hard at it in addition to SLD. What I mean is that I upped the running. I had thought I was going to do a half marathon with my husband and his family but fallout from brain surgeries was making it difficult. I'm lucky I can run at all and just decided it wasn't worth unhinging over a half million dollars worth of work on my brain to do a half marathon at the age of 44. I'm an 8k girl and thrilled with that. I feel not one ounce of defeat whatsoever.

I, too, want to try the noseclips so I ordered some. I know I can't eat with them but I think I could do the smoothies. It's out of curiosity more than anything else.

The nose clips had an immediate effect on me.  If I were in need to drop some more weight quickly, instead of hunting maintenance while willing to drop a few more pounds, I'd be using them more.  My wife laughs at me when I use them, but I was impressed at how quickly they had an effect.

I may use them if my slow grind to a halt seems to actually finish while I have some fat left under my skin.  Most of the places that were sagging a bit are firming up as the fat under the skin leaves.  I was worried about having saggy skin and glad to find that as the fat left, the skin tightened up after all.

I'm fifty.  I was going to run more, but my feet and knees ... ;)

I'm impressed you are doing 8ks.  I can walk 3 miles in the morning at a good clip, but that is about it for me right now.  Some wind sprints for fun, but my feet are ready for more yet.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: mdc on September 25, 2006, 08:35:46 AM

Methinks most of my protein sourced will now be from fish/seafood sources. Never realised just how cheap it could work out in sushi amounts. It's the rice/nori that is expensive for me.

Just watch which seafood you are eating.  I know 3 women who've gone big into fish and ended up with mercury poisoning.
http://www.nrdc.org/health/effects/mercury/effects.asp

mdc
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on September 25, 2006, 10:20:15 AM

Methinks most of my protein sourced will now be from fish/seafood sources. Never realised just how cheap it could work out in sushi amounts. It's the rice/nori that is expensive for me.

Just watch which seafood you are eating.  I know 3 women who've gone big into fish and ended up with mercury poisoning.
http://www.nrdc.org/health/effects/mercury/effects.asp

mdc

That is interesting.  I like sushi, maybe I'll need to eat more of it.

I'm just playing.  I'm pretty sure that if I just take two tablespoons a day, my weight will stay at about 168 or so.  Seems as if it has leveled out in that area.  I can lose a bit more without hurting myself, so I'm thinking of playing with a week of sushi or something.  I need to find a nutritional breakdown for it.

Right now I've decided to try nose clips every morning with breakfast and "smoothies" (not protein shakes, I'm learning ... ;) ) with nose clips for supper, just to try it.  I'll do that for a week for the experience, then probably drop the noseclips for the next week (while I'm on vacation), while doing smoothies (since those are easy to do on the road).
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on September 28, 2006, 03:28:45 AM
Well, I leave on vacation for a week or so.

I'm taking my oil on the road. ;)

See you all when I get back (since I'll have limited to no internet access).
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Pinkmug on September 28, 2006, 03:39:02 AM
Have a nice vacation  :)
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 04, 2006, 10:42:59 AM
Have a nice vacation  :)

I did.  Thanks.

I gained a little weight (I seem to do that every time I go on vacation), but I'm right into my stride now, so it should be gone by the end of the week (we came back a little early, but accomplished everything we wanted to, and have some things to do to help my parents).

I'm wondering if my "failure" on the midnight oil should really be more connected to my vacation than to the midnight oil, since the two conincided.

I could have pushed up the oil doseage and I think I'd have held even, but I think a fair amount of the suppression comes from bland food, which I enjoy, and when I'm on vacation, I'm not eating food that is that different or new to me (compare to when I went to Paris for my 20th, I lost fourteen pounds, which came back, of course -- but the food was different).

Anyway, I'm delighted and happy to be back.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Jenn on October 04, 2006, 01:31:40 PM
Glad to see you back too! So much happens when we are gone for a while.

Jenn
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Pinkmug on October 06, 2006, 04:18:16 AM
Nice to have you back Stephen and motivated as always! Thumbs up!
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Rabin the Cat on October 06, 2006, 10:04:54 PM
Just a driveby to say hello!
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 07, 2006, 07:30:20 AM
Vacation is over so I won't have time to comment as much, though I'm glad to be back.

The 3-4 pounds I gained while on the road dropped back off in a matter of about three days.  I was kind of surprised to have bumped up quite that much and surprised to watch it drop right back off.  Interesting.  Of course I've worked like a dog the past 2-3 days as well as I've helped my parents unload and move into their new house (just down the block from mine).

I'm thinking that I need to add a post to the FAQ on ditto foods, I've made use of the updated blogger software to use the tags function to make an index of all my Shangri-la Diet Posts http://ethesis.blogspot.com/search/label/Shangri-la%20Diet and updated with advice and comments for months five and six on the diet.

Maintenance seems pretty simple.  My weight loss slowed to a crawl as I got to around where I planned to stop, so I'm just taking two tablespoons of oil once a day and calling it maintenance. 

Appreciate all the kind comments and good words.

Stephen
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Jenn on October 07, 2006, 07:37:26 AM
stephen,
  Yes...ditto foods.  They cancel the effects of the oil.( in other words, they increase the need for more flavorless calories!)  It would be great to see a post about that.

Jenn
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 08, 2006, 01:48:19 PM
stephen,
  Yes...ditto foods.  They cancel the effects of the oil.( in other words, they increase the need for more flavorless calories!)  It would be great to see a post about that.

Jenn

I'm working on one.

My set point seems to have pretty much stabilized at about 168 or so.  I'm not interested enough in losing more weight to play with anything else right now (so my nose clips languish, the protein powder sits unused, I didn't get around to buying apple cider vinegar).

Would I like to lose five more pounds?  Yes, but not enough to work for it.  I've decided to just get used to my current weight for a while.  Have to admit I had a fear that this would all go like it does in Flowers for Algernon, and I'm glad it hasn't.

I think that next month, November 13, on the one year anniversary, I'll move over to "I made it."

Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: bekel on October 08, 2006, 01:53:01 PM
*pencils in date*

I was going to ask if you wanted this moved, or if you want to create a whole new thread.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Rabin the Cat on October 08, 2006, 02:26:52 PM
I know the ditto foods theory is an important part of the whole picture here, but we have paid no attention to them, eat all our favorites including the exact same 250 calorie drink from Starbucks for me every day and are both losers. We eat an extremely varied diet by the standards of most Americans, however. Maybe that's why it's not a big deal?

So, 168, Stephen? 168! Do you just chortle with glee about twice a day or are you all blase and complaisant?
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 08, 2006, 05:00:11 PM
*pencils in date*

I was going to ask if you wanted this moved, or if you want to create a whole new thread.

I'll create a new thread I think.  I've got a month ;)
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 08, 2006, 05:13:18 PM
I know the ditto foods theory is an important part of the whole picture here, but we have paid no attention to them, eat all our favorites including the exact same 250 calorie drink from Starbucks for me every day and are both losers. We eat an extremely varied diet by the standards of most Americans, however. Maybe that's why it's not a big deal?

So, 168, Stephen? 168! Do you just chortle with glee about twice a day or are you all blase and complaisant?

Well, the amazing part is when I put on the trim fit shirts.

I need to drop the half cup of sugar I'm currently eating with my yogurt to change it to a bland food (which it was with much less sugar) instead of a ditto food ;)
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Jenn on October 09, 2006, 11:06:30 AM
I know the ditto foods theory is an important part of the whole picture here, but we have paid no attention to them, eat all our favorites including the exact same 250 calorie drink from Starbucks for me every day and are both losers. We eat an extremely varied diet by the standards of most Americans, however. Maybe that's why it's not a big deal?

So, 168, Stephen? 168! Do you just chortle with glee about twice a day or are you all blase and complaisant?

I kind of have a theory about that, I feel like those with a fair amount to lose gained mostly because of eating too many over all calories and ditto foods (refined same taste high calorie etc) anyway, for those who have a 15 lb to lose, and have gained it slowly over a period of 5 years, I think that dittos play a very big role in that.  mainly because dittos have a tendency to be processed foods, that wreak havoc on the pancreas.  I never have been a big eater and yet mysteriously gained over time. I can only attribute it to metabolic imbalance then.  But just cutting back on food intake for many overeaters, leads to a substantial weightloss without changing the type of food ingested.  When you get down to those last pounds I think tweaking the type of food is the key to shedding them.

Jenn
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 15, 2006, 11:19:46 AM
I know the ditto foods theory is an important part of the whole picture here, but we have paid no attention to them, eat all our favorites including the exact same 250 calorie drink from Starbucks for me every day and are both losers. We eat an extremely varied diet by the standards of most Americans, however. Maybe that's why it's not a big deal?

So, 168, Stephen? 168! Do you just chortle with glee about twice a day or are you all blase and complaisant?

I kind of have a theory about that, I feel like those with a fair amount to lose gained mostly because of eating too many over all calories and ditto foods (refined same taste high calorie etc) anyway, for those who have a 15 lb to lose, and have gained it slowly over a period of 5 years, I think that dittos play a very big role in that.  mainly because dittos have a tendency to be processed foods, that wreak havoc on the pancreas.  I never have been a big eater and yet mysteriously gained over time. I can only attribute it to metabolic imbalance then.  But just cutting back on food intake for many overeaters, leads to a substantial weightloss without changing the type of food ingested.  When you get down to those last pounds I think tweaking the type of food is the key to shedding them.

Jenn

I'd agree.  I got a start on that at http://ethesis.blogspot.com/2006/10/shangri-la-diet-ditto-foods-hydration.html but have a long way to go.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 15, 2006, 05:05:29 PM

Until I get a better picture, this is me at 168 or so:

(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/3850/715/1600/untitled11.0.jpg)

I've got to get a picture I'm prepared for, I look way too serious.

But, until I shave again, that is what I look like.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: lvivianka on October 15, 2006, 05:48:07 PM
You look great! Isn't it wonderful to lose weight  :D
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 17, 2006, 10:40:54 AM
You look great! Isn't it wonderful to lose weight  :D

Thanks.

Shaved off the beard, I'm so glad vacation is over.  Cleaned off the lense on my camera (after recovering it from my six-year-old) and was at an affair where I had to rent some clothes.

Was so strange to rent some 32x30 inch pants.  They looked so small to me, but they fit just fine (I'm wearing loose fit 30" waist or regular fit 32" waist pants right now, haven't done that since who knows when).

It really is neat.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: SILENT on October 17, 2006, 10:48:06 AM
Thats wonderfull bet that felt great  :D
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: falconcy on October 17, 2006, 11:37:12 AM
It'll be a while before I get down to that level, but I am slowly and surely heading that way. I know it is do-able because I managed it around 20 yrs ago, but then it all crept back on again. Thank you Stephen for being an inspiration and for the encouragement you give to us all.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: lvivianka on October 17, 2006, 01:36:34 PM
My hubby has gone down from 42 to 38; still wants to lose about 20 lbs. he is 6' tall so 200 might be OK, or he will continue to lose more. :shock:
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 18, 2006, 11:06:50 AM
My hubby has gone down from 42 to 38; still wants to lose about 20 lbs. he is 6' tall so 200 might be OK, or he will continue to lose more. :shock:

That is neat.

I'm working at finding a balance.  I'll eventually lose a little more, but I want to figure things out with some space to spare, rather then when I don't have any.

What I'm figuring out is how to use various types of "ditto" foods to balance.  So I slowly lose weight on my normal diet, then use cheesecake to push things back up.

That leaves me not quite at equilibrium, but able to control my weight with different inputs.  Not quite cruise control, but not difficult either.
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: lvivianka on October 18, 2006, 12:04:23 PM
I know what you mean. we were on vacation and my sister-in-law makes the greatest cheesecake (so we did not lose then). :(
Title: Re: Ethesis, start 11/13; 72 pounds lost, pretty much at maintenance now
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 22, 2006, 04:33:35 PM
Well, I need to try the ACV (apple cider vinegar) for more than a day or two.  Guess I was expecting some sort of SLD instant magic ;)

Otherwise, I continue to bounce around the 169 mark -- up to 170, down to 167, but pretty much centered at 169.

Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: Jenn on October 23, 2006, 12:13:20 PM
Stephen,
  I just have to say that every time that I see your thread and think about the progress that you made, it astonishes me.  So many people can lose weight with a strict diet but usually will say that they were hungry the whole time and did it by sheer willpower.  I just realise every time that I see it, that you really did it and all because of a supplement of oil and SW!  And rather painlessly.

Wow, it is amazing!

Jenn
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 23, 2006, 03:40:03 PM
Stephen,
  I just have to say that every time that I see your thread and think about the progress that you made, it astonishes me.  So many people can lose weight with a strict diet but usually will say that they were hungry the whole time and did it by sheer willpower.  I just realise every time that I see it, that you really did it and all because of a supplement of oil and SW!  And rather painlessly.

Wow, it is amazing!

Jenn

And Seth deserves the credit, since I didn't do much but drink oil ...

Very painless, all in all, and I actually have less willpower than I did before, though I don't need it either. ;)

Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: tarheelatheart on October 23, 2006, 07:59:26 PM
THIRTY INCH WAIST PANTS! Wow. Stephen, you are on the verge of to skinny. 
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 pounds
Post by: lindylou on October 23, 2006, 10:03:43 PM
Stephen,

You are a real inspiration to this forum.

Good luck and keep us informed.

Lindylou :)
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 25, 2006, 08:11:02 PM
THIRTY INCH WAIST PANTS! Wow. Stephen, you are on the verge of to skinny. 

I have to confess that I also have some at 32" -- it depends on the fit what size fits me.

Still, my inseam remains 30" ;)

Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 pounds
Post by: go2grl on October 25, 2006, 10:01:25 PM
well, if I'm not going to get any TALLER with this diet, I'm calling the whole thing off (harumph!)   :P

But seriously...heartfelt congratulations on your progress - and your generosity in sharing your experience.  I've truly benefited from it.
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 27, 2006, 04:01:33 PM
well, if I'm not going to get any TALLER with this diet, I'm calling the whole thing off (harumph!)   :P

But seriously...heartfelt congratulations on your progress - and your generosity in sharing your experience.  I've truly benefited from it.

Seth gets a diet that makes people taller ...

But, that life long goal aside, it was so nice today to look at food in the break area and to be free.
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 29, 2006, 01:01:53 PM
well, if I'm not going to get any TALLER .....

I can only wish


Well, I see my doctor tomorrow.  Should be interesting to see how she reacts.
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: TalkingRat on October 29, 2006, 01:59:23 PM


Go2grl, hey, I do have a plan for getting instantly taller!    For 14 years I've known that one leg is a centimeter shorter, but it never occurred to me to stand on the tall leg when I got measured.    :lol:

Stephen, I can't wait to hear what your doc has to say tomorrow.  You'll have a chance to help her be healthier.    :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 30, 2006, 05:52:28 PM


Go2grl, hey, I do have a plan for getting instantly taller!    For 14 years I've known that one leg is a centimeter shorter, but it never occurred to me to stand on the tall leg when I got measured.    :lol:

Stephen, I can't wait to hear what your doc has to say tomorrow.  You'll have a chance to help her be healthier.    :mrgreen:

Well, my doctor was very pleased with me, and very glad to get the book.

She liked the ideas and was going to start immediately.

Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: TalkingRat on October 30, 2006, 05:58:13 PM

Well, my doctor was very pleased with me, and very glad to get the book.

She liked the ideas and was going to start immediately.


How cool is that!!  8)
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: Jenn on November 01, 2006, 12:36:57 PM

Well, my doctor was very pleased with me, and very glad to get the book.

She liked the ideas and was going to start immediately.


How cool is that!!  8)

It is always fun when the all knowing doctor who would usually try to shy us away from doing a "fad" diet or taking in extra fat calories actually seems interested by a patients' weight loss and wants to know how and why.

Jenn
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on November 02, 2006, 07:54:16 PM
Triglycerides:  56
Cholesterol total:  141
HDL:  64
LDL:  66
Glucose:  92
etc.

My wife, the CRNA, says I got an A+

Oh, calcium was 9.4 -- the yogurt comes through ;)
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: SILENT on November 02, 2006, 08:06:37 PM


Go2grl, hey, I do have a plan for getting instantly taller!    For 14 years I've known that one leg is a centimeter shorter, but it never occurred to me to stand on the tall leg when I got measured.    :lol:

Stephen, I can't wait to hear what your doc has to say tomorrow.  You'll have a chance to help her be healthier.    :mrgreen:

Well, my doctor was very pleased with me, and very glad to get the book.

She liked the ideas and was going to start immediately.



Thats great that she was interested in the book. Your great results helped i am sure . :D
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: TalkingRat on November 02, 2006, 08:28:48 PM

I should say your cholesterol is an A+, Stephen!   Do you have a pre-SLD test to compare it to?   
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on November 03, 2006, 04:25:44 AM

I should say your cholesterol is an A+, Stephen!   Do you have a pre-SLD test to compare it to?   

Yes.  It dropped only about ten-twenty points, but the HDL/LDL ratio is very much improved and the triglycerides are down dramatically (by about 50%) However, it is proof that drinking oil for a year didn't make things worse.
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on November 19, 2006, 03:11:46 PM
btw, some pictures of myself and some friends at a get together.

http://www.acaeum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=69322#69322

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c374/Badmike3/102_1930.jpg

and

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c374/Badmike3/102_1921.jpg
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: Marianna on November 19, 2006, 04:12:53 PM
Verrrry Cute--that is quite a swing you have there!
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: saggi girl on November 26, 2006, 05:26:19 PM
Stephen, you look great!  I'm sure your wife is very proud of her "new" man.
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on November 26, 2006, 06:16:41 PM
Stephen, you look great!  I'm sure your wife is very proud of her "new" man.

She has been very supportive.

BTW, I've gone about 26 days at 170.5 lbs +/- 10 ounces, more or less.

I think I've managed to keep on an even keel.

Now to consider the next step or steps.

Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 pounds
Post by: lvivianka on November 26, 2006, 08:12:54 PM
please keep on reporting your maintenance and how hard or easy it is. it gives us inspiration as well as hope that each one of us one day can say - maintenance... :D
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: andrea84 on November 26, 2006, 08:39:11 PM
Stephen, I have a q for you - when you lost the weight, did you notice that your skin tightened along with the weight, or do you have patches of baggy skin?
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on November 27, 2006, 04:46:22 AM
Stephen, I have a q for you - when you lost the weight, did you notice that your skin tightened along with the weight, or do you have patches of baggy skin?

The skin eventually tightens up, though it lags behind a little when the weight loss is really fast.

I should note that in people who have had lap-band surgery, etc., if they lose that last 20-40 pounds of fat, the skin tightens up.  Otherwise, when the folds of skin are surgically removed, there is a layer of fat on them about an inch to half an inch thick.

No one is in getting skin trimmed off that doesn't have fat attached.

Which I found interesting.
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: andrea84 on November 27, 2006, 08:29:40 AM
that is interesting.  hmmm....

I just thorught I'd ask because I have about as much to lose, and it kind of worries me lol!
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: sammie on November 27, 2006, 09:23:12 AM
Stephen, I have a q for you - when you lost the weight, did you notice that your skin tightened along with the weight, or do you have patches of baggy skin?

The skin eventually tightens up, though it lags behind a little when the weight loss is really fast.

I should note that in people who have had lap-band surgery, etc., if they lose that last 20-40 pounds of fat, the skin tightens up.  Otherwise, when the folds of skin are surgically removed, there is a layer of fat on them about an inch to half an inch thick.

No one is in getting skin trimmed off that doesn't have fat attached.

Which I found interesting.

Fascinating and very good to know.  For those of us no longer in our twenties, it is a concern - the skin can definitely be encouraged to loosen and sag more than it ever did before. yay.   :(
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on November 27, 2006, 10:58:38 AM
that is interesting.  hmmm....

I just thorught I'd ask because I have about as much to lose, and it kind of worries me lol!

I'm fifty ... so those who are older than I am may not have the same experience.
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 pounds
Post by: Pinkmug on November 28, 2006, 03:42:04 AM
I'm a bit worried! I think my skin is beginning to sag around my face! Is there anything I should do while I lose some more lbs? I'll be fifty next year ( :shock:)
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: andrea84 on November 28, 2006, 09:01:14 AM
that is interesting.  hmmm....

I just thorught I'd ask because I have about as much to lose, and it kind of worries me lol!

I'm fifty ... so those who are older than I am may not have the same experience.


well, i'm much younger than that - sometimes i think i'm the youngest on the boards!

and Pinkmug, i've heard that excercising - even as little as 20 mins a week - helps improve elasticity in the skin
Title: Re: Guess I'm finished flirting with maintenance -- Ethesis, ten months, 72 poun
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on November 28, 2006, 10:39:39 AM
I'm a bit worried! I think my skin is beginning to sag around my face! Is there anything I should do while I lose some more lbs? I'll be fifty next year ( :shock:)

The loose skin comes as you lose weight and goes as you lose more.  One of those things you just live through ;)
Title: Re:sagging skin
Post by: klgas on November 28, 2006, 10:45:48 AM
Soooooooooooooo ...... are you saying that although those of us who are older lose weight and start to see skin sag, especially on the face, we are not to despair, because it will eventually tighten if we continue oil ???
Title: Re:sagging skin
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on November 29, 2006, 04:55:50 PM
Soooooooooooooo ...... are you saying that although those of us who are older lose weight and start to see skin sag, especially on the face, we are not to despair, because it will eventually tighten if we continue oil ???


At least that is what I've seen in other kinds of weight loss and in my personal situation.

Title: Re: Ethesis, - 52 lbs, posting here now with progress reports
Post by: ADN on December 03, 2006, 04:07:55 PM
Stephen, you're one of my new idols, since your starting-weight and mine were the same. I hope I lose as fast as you have. But then I'm 6'2", so it's unlikely that I'll get as low as 160.2, but it wouldn't be outrageous. That was my father's weight most of his life, and he was slightly taller than I am.

As far as target-weight goes, I'm going to stay teachable. After two years in Barcelona, living on a Fit For Life régime, I came down to 190. When I got back to New York, my friends asked me if I was sick. They thought I looked far too thin -- as Seth's friends had told him. But I was SO healthy at that weight. I think friends are not always reliable. They may like our old chubby (or worse) selves. We're the ones who have to live in our bodies. So if my body wants to go to 160 pounds and I'm eating well and am healthy, who am I to differ from my body's wisdom? Having my high-school weight in my fifties might be odd, but it can't be worse than carrying two bodies around as I've been doing!

A lot of people are a litte co-dependent without realizing it, and many will take weight loss as a personal sermond delivered to them, when it isn't.

I've always wanted to be 6'+ ... (I'm 5'6") ;)





No offense but I think 160 for 6 foot 2 IS WAY TO THIN YOU COULD PROBABLY GET THERE BUT IS WAY TO LOW
Title: Re: Ethesis, - 52 lbs, posting here now with progress reports
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on December 03, 2006, 07:04:53 PM
Stephen, you're one of my new idols, since your starting-weight and mine were the same. I hope I lose as fast as you have. But then I'm 6'2", so it's unlikely that I'll get as low as 160.2, but it wouldn't be outrageous. That was my father's weight most of his life, and he was slightly taller than I am....

...snip...

I've always wanted to be 6'+ ... (I'm 5'6") ;)





No offense but I think 160 for 6 foot 2 IS WAY TO THIN YOU COULD PROBABLY GET THERE BUT IS WAY TO LOW

Interesting, how size and mass and weight have changed in the American eye.

I was struck by how scrawny all the French looked in Paris.

I'm wondering what we will discover about natural size?
Title: Re: Ethesis, - 52 lbs, posting here now with progress reports
Post by: andrea84 on December 06, 2006, 12:37:44 AM

Interesting, how size and mass and weight have changed in the American eye.


no kidding!  when I told my mom I wanted to get back down to 107 (I'm 5'1 btw) she looked at me like I was crazy!  Her goal weight is to be the same she was last time she lost a bunch of weight, which is 130-135, and she's half an inch shorter than me

but I have pictures from when I was 130lbs, and I was definitely still quite fat!!!  it's not for me
Title: Re: Ethesis, - 52 lbs, posting here now with progress reports
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on December 06, 2006, 06:39:45 PM

Interesting, how size and mass and weight have changed in the American eye.


no kidding!  when I told my mom I wanted to get back down to 107 (I'm 5'1 btw) she looked at me like I was crazy!  Her goal weight is to be the same she was last time she lost a bunch of weight, which is 130-135, and she's half an inch shorter than me

but I have pictures from when I was 130lbs, and I was definitely still quite fat!!!  it's not for me

I find it also interesting that people and sizes that seemed thin to me, now see a bit oversized.  It is really interesting.

Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: tek_vixen on December 07, 2006, 08:02:53 AM
I'm finding that to be true also.  There are people at work who suddenly don't look nearly as thin as they did two months ago.  Of course, I suppose my "Conservation of Fat in the Universe" theory could be at work here, and they are finding the fat I'm losing.  :lol:  But I suspect the reality is that there isn't as much difference between my size and theirs anymore, so they don't seem as thin to me.  I suppose I'll do myself a favor and not ask them if they've been pigging out lately!   :lol:

T-Vix
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Pinkmug on December 07, 2006, 08:13:27 AM
Of course, I suppose my "Conservation of Fat in the Universe" theory could be at work here, and they are finding the fat I'm losing. 

LOLLLLLLLLLLL...

Well if your workplace is considered a closed system then the laws of thermodynamics may apply...  :D But if they seem fatter now that you're thinner, then it must be Fat Relativity at work (blame Einstein)!


Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: frenata on December 07, 2006, 08:17:13 AM
Those of you with access to American cable TV, try watching '70s sitcoms. People were TINY. And it's not just that they were actors; all the crowd scenes and documentaries show the same. It's like their bones were tiny.

Whereas the jolly fat people of yesterday look rather svelte to me now.
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Pinkmug on December 07, 2006, 08:22:06 AM
They were tiny, or did they wear baggy large clothes and ENORMOUS hairdos??? That alone slims a person by 10 pounds  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: tek_vixen on December 07, 2006, 08:28:37 AM
They were tiny, or did they wear baggy large clothes and ENORMOUS hairdos??? That alone slims a person by 10 pounds  :mrgreen:

Yes, I spent an entire decade using that theory to slim myself!  Much easier than dieting!

T-Vix
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: sammie on December 07, 2006, 10:56:15 AM
Those of you with access to American cable TV, try watching '70s sitcoms. People were TINY. And it's not just that they were actors; all the crowd scenes and documentaries show the same. It's like their bones were tiny.

Whereas the jolly fat people of yesterday look rather svelte to me now.

Isn't it amazing?  For instance Charlie's Angels (sorry, I know it's horrible) - those women would be accused of flirting with anorexia nowadays, they are THIN.  Muscular too.  No one thought they were innapropriately skinny back in the day, just HOT (and they are, even with the goofy clothes and makeup, ha).  Kids today don't look like the Brady Bunch kids - the Brady's look TEENY in comparison.  It's funny how we think models are SO thin today, but if you flip through a 1970s Vogue magazine, they were as thin if not thinner (in fact they tend to look thinner because the mighty breast implant had yet to conquer the world).  It was a real eye-opener when my aunt pulled out a bridesmaid dress from the 70s - she currently wears a today-size 6, weighs the same as she did in the 70s, bridesmaid dress fits her - but the bridesmaid dress is a 70s-size 10!!!  MAJOR size inflation.  Our perspective has absolutely changed...
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on December 08, 2006, 07:13:47 PM
Excellent points.
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: akhdar on December 09, 2006, 10:29:16 PM
Yes, I have gained weight since my lowest but I did notice that my perception of people's weights markedly changed as did my vantage point. It seemed interesting and almost organic as it was completely without judgement. I found it very odd and intriguing as it was without any conscious intention on my part. What people from abroad must think when they enter our little paradise of endless munchies.
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on December 10, 2006, 07:21:12 AM
Yes, I have gained weight since my lowest but I did notice that my perception of people's weights markedly changed as did my vantage point. It seemed interesting and almost organic as it was completely without judgment. I found it very odd and intriguing as it was without any conscious intention on my part. What people from abroad must think when they enter our little paradise of endless munchies.

There are people who looked thin to me who now look much larger.  Though I see scrawny people and they still look, well, not muscular for sure ...

Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Seth Roberts on December 12, 2006, 12:53:24 PM
I have posted a graph of Stephen's weight over time at my blog:

http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2006/12/12/stephen-marsh-on-the-shangri-la-diet/
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: sammie on December 13, 2006, 11:27:12 AM
Nice graph, I'd keep that in my wallet  :D
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on December 13, 2006, 04:32:28 PM
Nice graph, I'd keep that in my wallet  :D

I think I will ;)
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: go2grl on December 14, 2006, 03:30:18 PM
I think it would be a nice bookmark when handing out copies of Seth's book!   :D  Very inspirational.
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on December 14, 2006, 03:49:36 PM
I think it would be a nice bookmark when handing out copies of Seth's book!   :D  Very inspirational.

As soon as the revised edition comes out (the paperback) I'm buying a bunch of copies to give away.

Will be a great way to start the new year.
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: lvivianka on December 14, 2006, 09:16:17 PM
please hurry with the paperback
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on December 15, 2006, 03:41:46 PM
please hurry with the paperback

I'm hoping Seth will be able to announce it soon.

Though I had another woman chat me up again today who was only interested in my diet secrets.

Also, a funny scene at the gym.

I'm talking with some guys who are impressed with how thin I am (relatively speaking -- I've got a 32" waist which isn't that thin).  A girl who is three inches taller than I am wants to know why everyone thinks I'm thin at 169 and no one thinks she is.  One of the guys coughs and says "honey, when you have a 43" chest like Steve, everyone will think you are thin too."

Ok, you had to be there, but it was funny.

Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Jenn on December 15, 2006, 08:41:11 PM
Ok, I am starting to get jealous.
T-VIX has one pound to go.  Stephen, you are in maintenance, and even Bean is shedding pounds where she was having a difficult time losing before.
Now for me......I just can't get the weight to budge any more, and it fluctuates between 0-5 pounds lost.
   You guys are my inspiration.

Jenn
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: tek_vixen on December 16, 2006, 12:17:54 PM
OK, Jenn!  I think it's time to get out the flashlight and magnifying glass.  I think the scale gnome may have moved back to your house.  Look for evidence of tiny little Gucci bags around the edges of your scale.   :lol:

Seriously, I hope you can work out the magic formula to budge that scale!  It has to be out there.  I truly admire your perseverance!

T-Vix
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Jenn on December 16, 2006, 01:16:25 PM
T-vix
   How'd ya do it? In such a short period of time?  What was your routine?
I want to know....I want to know!

Jenn
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: tek_vixen on December 16, 2006, 02:06:40 PM
My routine is pretty simple:

1 to 1.25 T ELOO first thing in the morning after my shower (6 am).
Breakfast (Power Bar) between 8 and 9 am.
Lunch around noon.  Usually lean protein and veggies.  Very few carbs.
1 to 1.25 T ELOO around 4:30 when I get home from work.
Dinner is anywhere from 6:30 to 9:00 pm.  Another lean protein and lots of veggies.
Snack at 10 - 10:30 pm.  A light string cheese, 5 prunes, and a small mandarin orange have been the snackie foods most recently favored.

I've been focusing on getting more sleep.  I was managing on a bare 5 hours for many years, and I seem to be doing much better in several arenas now that I'm getting closer to 7.

I track my calories at fitday.  My running average over the last 11 weeks is 1013.  Some days I skip lunch, but most days I'm running right around the 1000 mark.

I get very little formal exercise.  Yoga once a week.  Treadmill for 45 minutes about once a week.

That's it.  I think it helps that I get way more than my 2 hour window around my oil most times.  The other reason I think I've been so successful is that I was truly abusing my body prior to SLD with junk food and lack of sleep.  Ditto foods are still a problem for me.  I'm hoping to tackle that while I'm on vacation these next two weeks.  I'm very unimaginative in the food arena.

Good luck, hon!  I'm rooting for you!

T-Vix

Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Jenn on December 16, 2006, 03:45:45 PM
T-vix,
  I knew it.....I probably need to avoid carbs.  UGH!  I am just not that into meat these days and pasta type stuff is more appealing.
I suppose if I cut down drastically on carbs, I won't want them as much.
 Weird thing is that I do eat a fair amount of vegetables, but lately I think my plate has been a bit unbalanced. 

It must be what I am eating, because I take the right amount of oil.  Dittos, must be a problem.

Jenn
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: tek_vixen on December 16, 2006, 03:53:34 PM
You're probably right, Jenn.  At first when people talked about getting less than 100g of carbs per day, I just couldn't imagine it.  But now I'm getting 60-80g per day, and almost all of it is fruits/veggies.  As I get closer to setting up for maintenance, I will explore the effects of other low GI carbs, such as beans, vegetarian patties, etc. and will probably start eating more carbs for the long run.

Go lower on the carbs and see if you can chase the scale gnome away.  I think they thrive on carbs!   :D

T-Vix
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on December 16, 2006, 05:50:32 PM
Ok, I am starting to get jealous.
T-VIX has one pound to go.  Stephen, you are in maintenance, and even Bean is shedding pounds where she was having a difficult time losing before.
Now for me......I just can't get the weight to budge any more, and it fluctuates between 0-5 pounds lost.
   You guys are my inspiration.

Jenn

Jenn,

Just remember the posts on alcohol and weight loss (the guys at T-Nation aren't exactly non-sybarites, just very results focused) and on hydration.

Unlike a "diet" on SLD drinking water really does work.

Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Pinkmug on December 18, 2006, 04:18:51 AM
Jenn, you're not alone. Your gnome has a twin brother and it's in my scale. Whatever weight I painstakingly manage to lose, comes right back at the first opportunity  :x
I AM mad. This week I'll do whatever it takes. As the saying goes: ou vai ou racha. How can I translate this? - maybe Either it goes or it breaks. Stupid gnomes!!!  :x We need a gnome buster. Maybe a bottle oil a day!  :twisted:
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: rapaz on December 18, 2006, 07:16:02 AM
thanks for the inspiration, Stephen.  I am 5' 7" and reading your
story I now know that there is hope for the shorties. rapaz.
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Jenn on December 18, 2006, 09:47:44 AM
T-vix,
  I started SW today along with 3 TBS canola.  If that won't help I don't know what will.  Unfortunately SW is not low carb.  But if I can watch what I eat for the rest of the day......we'll see.

Stephen,
 I am definitely stepping up the water.  and with the extra fluids that the SW gives me....something has to budge.

Pinkmug

   In french we say...ça passe ou ça casse.  either it passes or it breaks....funny translation.

Jenn


 
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on December 18, 2006, 07:25:59 PM
thanks for the inspiration, Stephen.  I am 5' 7" and reading your
story I now know that there is hope for the shorties. rapaz.

But you aren't short .... ;)

Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on August 28, 2007, 07:42:39 PM
thanks for the inspiration, Stephen.  I am 5' 7" and reading your
story I now know that there is hope for the shorties. rapaz.

But you aren't short .... ;)



I'm 5'5"

BTW, some rambling comments and updates at http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?topic=5525.0

02.
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on November 18, 2007, 04:30:23 PM
I've posted two updates. 

One at:

http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?topic=5822.15

and the other at:

http://ethesis.blogspot.com/2007/11/shangri-la-diet-update.html

Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: moneytanning on January 02, 2008, 04:11:06 AM
I've decided to post here with the progress reports.

I started on November 13, 2005.

I was a touch over 240 pounds.

I hit 188 this week, which was exciting.

[Hit 178 this morning, down ten pounds from when I started this thread]

The first month I lost 15 pounds, the next month I lost 10 pounds and it has been around 7-8 pounds a month since then.

My goal is 160.2

I started with a two liter bottle of water in which I put somewhere between half and two-thirds cup of sugar.  I'd drink a liter at 10:00 and a liter at 2:30 in the afternoon.

I started the extra light olive oil because I had times I couldn't drink the water (like when I had to go to court).

I was using only a tablespoon of olive oil, when I should have been using two tablespoons, and my control over the cravings was rocky on those times.  Seth was kind enough to point out I needed two tablespoons of oil to get the same calories I was getting with the sugar.

I switched to two tablespoons morning, two in the afternoon.

At some point (and I should have kept better track), I plateaued, and started losing weight again when I dropped it to just two tablespoons of oil.

I started a 2-3 tablespoons of sugar in water in the mornings when I got the book, but I'm not sure it makes a difference, so I'm going to drop that and just keep taking two tablespoons of oil in the afternoon.

I've been using extra light olive oil (it is like five dollars for a gallon at COSTCO or SAMS -- I've bought a couple gallons at both, who wants to run out).

Also tried sugar cubes (eat 24 -- 240 calories -- over half an hour).  Those don't seem to work quite as well.

Now I'm using grapeseed oil.  It goes down easier for me than the olive oil, which still makes me gag a little.

But it is a heck of a lot better than being so heavy.

I'm only 5'6" tall.  Suddenly I'm in trim fit shirts from Lands' End instead of XXLs and busting out of the seams.

The only unusual things I did involve some weight training to get ready for the diet (I'd been doing that for three years to build muscle mass to make it easier to lose weight) and eating a lot of yogurt on the diet -- I'm trying to make sure I get enough protien so that I don't lose strength.

But it is great, especially the changes in the way I think about food.

One thing, if you buy in bulk and use the super saver shipping at Amazon, Amazon delays shipping a couple-three days.  But if you buy in bulk, when your friends and secretary and co-workers "borrow" copies of the book, you've got more to give away.

Stephen M (Ethesis)
http://ethesis.blogspot.com/

:D
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: moneytanning on January 02, 2008, 04:12:33 AM
 :D I am very happy for you and I know you are proud of your self too.
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on January 02, 2008, 06:56:56 AM
:D I am very happy for you and I know you are proud of your self too.

Not much to be proud of, which is the neat thing about the diet.

I hurt my rotator cuffs, laid of exercise for about eight months and my weight started climbing a little, part of which I needed to have happen for personal reasons, but about five or six pounds more than I wanted.  Changed up and added a few more SLD calories, and started on the way down again.

This has been interesting, but pretty effortless.  I am free of seeing weight loss as a sign of inherent virtue or as a manifestation of superior will.  It just happens, like breathing.  I'm glad I can breath, but it isn't anything to be proud of, if that makes sense.

Also, I thought I'd add that the "after" picture is actually me weighing more than I probably weigh right now.  I never did get around to posting another picture, but it is a great "after" picture even if I did lose more weight after I took it.

I'm lifting weights and exercising again, was able to ski over Christmas vacation (took lessons and had a great time), something I would not have expected a few years ago.

My new weight goal, unless things change a great deal in my life, is 179 to 172.  It was actually easier to find a stable point in the 160s than the 170s, but I'm working on it.

Neat to be able to work towards that instead of fighting against it.
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 05, 2008, 04:16:50 PM
Time for an update, I know, almost two years after my last post.

I decided on 189 for my stable point, stayed there over a year, and at that weight or under for over two years.

Eventually my skin tightened up and the other issues of losing a lot of weight resolved.  I also learned that normal hormonal processes need some fat (I had close to a fat free diet, other than the olive oil.  That led to an interesting discussion:  "that level of fat is impossible"  Me, ok, I don't doubt that the sugar and fat free yogurt I'm eating might have a gram or two of fat here or there.  "oh, well, didn't you know that ..." Me, no.  Me, drop sugar, replace calories with full fat yogurt calories).

So, I decided to let my weight drop some more.  Just dropped back in the 160s in the last week.  I'm going to stop it at 160 or thereabout.  I'm 5'5" tall.  41" chest, about 33" waist (ok, I'm wearing size 32 and 30 pants, but they lie about sizing these days), 17" neck.  I lift weights twice a week for about 40 minutes a time, but no drugs (I'm a coward, probably a good thing now that I'm older).

My skin is tightening up, I just am taking it slowly.

I would note that most people who lose a lot of weight end up with lose skin that has a layer of fat attached to it.  Surgery often ends up taking the skin and about twenty pounds of fat.  You can just wait and the fat redistributes and the skin tightens up, or you can lose weight down to about 8% bodyfat and as the fat slides out from under the skin, it tightens up.

Everyone I know who has lost a lot of weight has the experience Seth had where everyone around them says that they've lost too much weight and they put some back on, at least for a while, until everyone is used to it. 

Funny thing is, I've lost about twenty pounds after more than a year at my stable weight and no one has noticed at all, except for my wife.  Mentally, everyone has me down as "thin" ...

So, that is the update.

I'm still blogging at:  http://ethesis.blogspot.com/ -- but click on the link to the right for the diet related posts.

http://ethesis.blogspot.com/search/label/Shangri-la%20Diet is the link if you can't find it.

Stephen


Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Heidi 555 on October 05, 2008, 04:47:17 PM
Nice going Stephen.  You look great in your photo.  Very interesting comments on others perception of thinness.  So far my mother is the only one who thinks that I've lost too much weight.  I'll be seeing her on Tuesday and I'm hoping that she's now use to me being thin and won't notice that I lost a bit more.  It's an interesting process trying to figure out an ideal weight for oneself and how much muscle to build.
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 05, 2008, 05:55:18 PM
Nice going Stephen.  You look great in your photo.  Very interesting comments on others perception of thinness.  So far my mother is the only one who thinks that I've lost too much weight.  I'll be seeing her on Tuesday and I'm hoping that she's now use to me being thin and won't notice that I lost a bit more.  It's an interesting process trying to figure out an ideal weight for oneself and how much muscle to build.

That's me with a week's worth of beard and fifteen more pounds than I have now ;)

The picture of me over at http://adrr.com/ is me with about the same extra weight.  I'm about nine-ten pounds lighter than when I was on Fox TV.

But you are right, parents can be difficult.  Luckily my mom used SLD to lose weight and has been positive about my weight loss ever since ;)
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 21, 2008, 07:36:35 PM
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_senior/the_over_50_lifter?id=2153961&pageNo=11

That is a picture of me at about 169, I've been 168 recently.

Anyway, a while back someone had asked for a picture of me in a swim suit.  Well, this is close, it is a picture of me in my work-out shorts as a part of my exercise log.

Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: falconcy on October 22, 2008, 06:17:22 AM
My leg definition is really good too, I'm talking rock hard solid muscle all round. The gut has shrunk, yet that is where I'm carrying the bulk of the fat I need to lose. I'm down to my weight around 1997 as a pair of jeans from then fit me now. Just seem stuck on a plateau again, that last 20 or so kg seem to be pretty hard to get off. We have a guy in the office who does weights, he's forever eating, kinda sucks doesn't it.

Thinking of going back on the oil again. I can now get unrefined coconut oil, so I may give that a try. I think some of the old crowd tried that and found it gave them a pretty good energy boost, that may just be what is needed to push the exercise to a whole new level.
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 22, 2008, 06:37:44 AM
My leg definition is really good too, I'm talking rock hard solid muscle all round. The gut has shrunk, yet that is where I'm carrying the bulk of the fat I need to lose. I'm down to my weight around 1997 as a pair of jeans from then fit me now. Just seem stuck on a plateau again, that last 20 or so kg seem to be pretty hard to get off. We have a guy in the office who does weights, he's forever eating, kinda sucks doesn't it.

Thinking of going back on the oil again. I can now get unrefined coconut oil, so I may give that a try. I think some of the old crowd tried that and found it gave them a pretty good energy boost, that may just be what is needed to push the exercise to a whole new level.

I tried coconut oil for  awhile and it worked well.  Only place I could find it was WalMart, of all things.

I've got a little fat on my back (over the kidneys) and around my waist, holding on to the skin that is slowly tightening up.  I figure 160 lb and I'll have it all gone.

I need to get out and walk/run more, just have been too busy ;)

Glad it is working well for you.
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Heidi 555 on October 22, 2008, 07:15:06 AM
You're looking good Stephen.  It seems like when you're close to goal the focus becomes subtle refinements.  And muscle building is just as important as weight loss.  Also finding the right balance between the two, which you seem to be doing.  You've been an inspiration. 
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: falconcy on October 22, 2008, 09:12:31 AM


I need to get out and walk/run more, just have been too busy ;)


I can relate to that, I have a combination of work and procrastination to deal with right now. I hear walking first thing before you eat is supposed to be good. Got a multigym and bench in the basement of the apartment block, just too damn lazy to go down there and use it.

I'm hungry now, just ate a few grapes to get me by till I get home. Didn't feel like food all day. By the sound of it we will get Pizza in the office tomorrow at lunch time. I usually try to stick with the vegetarian one and avoid the meat ones. I'll avoid food in the morning as I know it'll be calorie laden.
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 22, 2008, 10:55:29 AM


I need to get out and walk/run more, just have been too busy ;)


I can relate to that, I have a combination of work and procrastination to deal with right now. I hear walking first thing before you eat is supposed to be good. Got a multigym and bench in the basement of the apartment block, just too damn lazy to go down there and use it.

I'm hungry now, just ate a few grapes to get me by till I get home. Didn't feel like food all day. By the sound of it we will get Pizza in the office tomorrow at lunch time. I usually try to stick with the vegetarian one and avoid the meat ones. I'll avoid food in the morning as I know it'll be calorie laden.

Yes.  If you can do it, it is good for your metabolism.

See http://adrr.com/bengoshi/005.htm for a discussion on the point.
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: falconcy on October 23, 2008, 07:52:42 AM
I would think that any exercise prior to eating would be beneficial as your body would be in burning mode before you take in food.
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on November 02, 2008, 05:42:19 PM
I would think that any exercise prior to eating would be beneficial as your body would be in burning mode before you take in food.

Indeed.

Update at http://ethesis.blogspot.com/2008/10/sld-update.html

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I've been told that as I close on three years using the Shangri la Diet, I owe an update. Officially, my weight went from 245 lbs down and then stabilized at about 189 for a couple years. That is pretty much true, though the past few months my weight has slipped. It is now 168 or so, though I plan to stop the slippage.

My exercise program and the unrelated rotator cuff rehabilitation are both going well. I'm still making progress in about 90 minutes a week [link]. I eat a lot of yogurt, some fruit, eggs and flax bread, simple and short food.

So, I still drink extra light olive oil, it still surpresses my set point, and keeping my weight down is still an automatic process that doesn't take any will power, like breathing. I'm still gaining strength (though I'm by no means strong yet), in a way that leaves me lots of time for better things like long walks with my wife. Especially at this time of year, there is nothing better.

I'm almost 53 and just about where I had planned to be when I turned 35. So, do I have anything to be proud of? Not really. But I'm happy to be here, even if I'm a little late
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: nougat on November 02, 2008, 10:48:24 PM
You are really a 'success story' and an inspiration for those of us still far from their goal....me :D
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on October 30, 2009, 07:39:45 PM
My neck shrank to 16.5" -- finally had to replace all the 17" shirts I had ;)

Otherwise, still plugging along at the 178 to 182 range.

Started up with karate and am enjoying it, something I could never have done at the higher weight.

Life is good, in so many ways.
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: nougat on October 30, 2009, 11:02:07 PM
 :D
its great that you can now enjoy life more!!

well done!!
Title: Re: Ethesis, lost 72 pounds in ten months, stable at 13+ and counting ...
Post by: Ainsprid on October 31, 2009, 11:13:06 AM
Hey Stephen, good to hear from you!
As nougat already said, I'm glad you're enjoying life more!
I think many of us are looking forward to that bit!