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Title: Rich's progress down 8 lb. in 131 days (18+ weeks)
Post by: Rich on May 05, 2006, 12:08:35 PM
I started Sunday April 30.  Male, 6' 2", 36 years old. I do strenuous exercise for 2 hours a week, reliably but that exercise was not enough to keep from regaining 30 pounds I lost about 3 years ago.

For 2 days I took 165 cal (11 tsp) of sucrose water in 2 doses. Since then I am taking 120 cal (1 Tbsp) of ELOO in the morning and 45 cal (3 tsp) of sucrose water some other time.

April 30: 241 lb (BMI 31)
...
May 5: 236 lb (BMI just over 30)

I don't believe I've lost 5 pounds of fat so far. I would prefer to lose 1-2 pounds per week, after the first week.

I am also trying to make changes such as eating better and more varied foods. I am grabbing random spices off my spice rack and using them on my meals to vary the flavor. That has had the side effect of making my food taste better and more interesting.
Title: Re: Rich's progress
Post by: Rich on May 08, 2006, 08:38:19 AM
May 8: 237 lb.

I ate a little more junk food this weekend than I'd like, but overall I'm eating much better. Unless I'm within the two hour window, I remind myself that I can eat if I'm hungry. Late one night I had some tortilla chips. Ordinarily I might eat half a bag, but this time I had one handful, telling myself I'd go back for more if I was still hungry. I never made it back. It's a nice change. I am pleased with 4 pounds in a week.
Title: Re: Rich's progress
Post by: Rich on May 10, 2006, 11:45:14 AM
May 10: 238 lb. +2 lb from May 5.

Weight Gain: I'm not particularly worried about going up a couple of pounds just yet. I am still taking 165 cal of oil/sucrose daily. I am considering increasing my oil intake.

Appetite: I'm not seeing the dramatic loss of appetite that the book talks about. I still want to eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Overall I think I'm eating better foods and less food, although I did eat a decent size bag of potato chips on Monday. I didn't enjoy it quite as much, though.

(Not) Telling other people: I have decided to keep this program to myself for the time being. I wonder how many other people are trying this, but keeping it to themselves until they see concrete results. If I do lose a lot (>20 lbs), I'll be telling several people about it, but not before I see results myself.
Title: Re: Rich's progress
Post by: splitbamboo on May 10, 2006, 01:23:45 PM

(Not) Telling other people: I have decided to keep this program to myself for the time being. I wonder how many other people are trying this, but keeping it to themselves until they see concrete results. If I do lose a lot (>20 lbs), I'll be telling several people about it, but not before I see things to myself.


I'm in the same boat. Not really appealing to 'fess up to the fact that I'm ingesting 4 tablespoons of straight oil a day. I'd like to get some weight off before I talk with others about this. It is kind of hilarious what I do to not talk about it. My 8 year old wanted to know why there was cooking oil in the trunk. My wife was wondering why there was a teaspoon in the car (I bought a set of measuring spoons when I bought the oil and only needed the tablespoon measure). I had some baggies of sugar in my glove box for a while and was wondering what I would say if I were to get pulled over and have to get my registration. And speaking of glove box, it (and the registration) is covered in oil because the lid leaked.

Oh well, I'm optimistic. Four days and down 3.5 lbs...

David
Title: Re: Rich's progress
Post by: joyful on May 10, 2006, 02:31:54 PM


I'm in the same boat. Not really appealing to 'fess up to the fact that I'm ingesting 4 tablespoons of straight oil a day. I'd like to get some weight off before I talk with others about this. It is kind of hilarious what I do to not talk about it. My 8 year old wanted to know why there was cooking oil in the trunk. My wife was wondering why there was a teaspoon in the car (I bought a set of measuring spoons when I bought the oil and only needed the tablespoon measure). I had some baggies of sugar in my glove box for a while and was wondering what I would say if I were to get pulled over and have to get my registration. And speaking of glove box, it (and the registration) is covered in oil because the lid leaked.

Oh well, I'm optimistic. Four days and down 3.5 lbs...

David

That is hilarious, David.   :lol:  I can relate! 

I haven't told anyone as of yet either.  I just think people would look at me like I had lost it.  I want the results to speak for themselves, in time, and then when it's obvious that something is going right I'll start directing them to how it's happening.
Title: Re: Rich's progress
Post by: Rich on May 10, 2006, 03:31:57 PM
Keeping secrets: Geez, David, you're going to be busted. Four measly days and already you're getting peppered with questions about oil in the trunk and teaspoons and the like. Actually I reread my post and I'm misstating things. My girlfriend and I are both doing the diet and it was her idea not to tell anyone. I agreed with that. We have the oil at home and both of us use sugar packets from work during the workday. Neither of us has told anyone what we're up to. So we can talk about the program with each other, but just not to other people.

More sugar: I got to thinking about my appetite. I wonder if I'm not taking enough flavorless calories to feel a strong effect. I was taking 165 cal because I think that's what the book recommended if you wanted to lose 20 pounds or less. But if I recall correctly Prof. Roberts was taking 6 Tbsp of fructose at the start - about 300 calories, I think. So today I'm taking 1 Tbsp ELOO and 12 tsp sucrose for a total of 300 calories.

David and the drug war:  You're right to be concerned about baggies of sugar in the glove compartment. The drug warriors have not heard of the Shangri La Diet and they are not kidding. You could have found yourself answering some very pointed questions about just what the hell you're carrying in this car. If I were you I'd switch to sugar packets.

Title: Re: Rich's progress
Post by: DirkVA on May 10, 2006, 06:01:59 PM
All this secrecy couldn't be more unlike my case. I am so happy over the changes I'm experiencing that people ask me why I'm in such a mood. When I tell them every single one of them has been interested, supportive, and/or eager to try the "diet" themselves. If my friends were the type who would look at me as though I was crazy for trying a reasonable means of improving my health, I might think of getting some other friends.
Title: Re: Rich's progress
Post by: Dixie_Amazon on May 11, 2006, 04:08:02 AM
I posted about the diet over at http://www.SparkPeople.com and you would of thought I joined a cult!  :lol: I'll post again today... with my weight loss results.
Title: Re: Rich's progress
Post by: Rich on May 11, 2006, 08:38:26 AM
May 11: 236 lb., -2 lb. from yesterday, -5 lb. since April 30.

Appetite: My lunch yesterday was pretty big by Shangri La standards. After lunch, I took 3 more Tbsp of sucrose in water, for a total of 300 cal of oil and sugar, up from 165 cal on prior days. That caused a marked reduction in my appetite. I felt full until 9:00pm. I ended up having a pretty good sized dinner, but I did zero snacking throughout the day, just breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I cannot remember the last time I did that. I think I'm going to stick with 300 cal per day unless I'm losing weight too quickly.

Purchases: Bought some granulated fructose and a shot glass with measurements on the side to use for measuring it. I'm going to try that as my sugar source for today.
Title: Re: Rich's progress
Post by: Rich on May 16, 2006, 09:51:59 AM
May 16: 235 lb., -1 lb. from 5 days ago, -6 lb. since April 30 (16 days ago).

Weight: I was as low as 232 at one point during the past week. I'm very satisfied with the results so far.

Appetite: I have reduced snacking, but I still enjoy some junk food. I'm adding varying spices to my meals and cook more. I had a couple of large meals in the past few days, but I'd have to say I'm still eating less than I used to. I used ELOO for the past three days. Sugar seems to have a stronger effect. I will be trying canola oil very soon because my ELOO is about to run out.

Fructose: It's rather sticky, making it harder to measure. I am probably going back to sucrose when my current supply runs out.
Title: Re: Rich's progress
Post by: Rich on May 17, 2006, 02:47:55 PM
May 17: 235 lb., unchanged from 1 day ago, -6 lb. since April 30 (17 days ago).

Appetite: My appetite appears to have returned despite 1.5 Tbsp ELOO and 3 Tbsp. sugar in each of the past couple of days. I wonder if the ELOO has a slight flavor for me. It seems to taste better now than it used to. I'm switcing to canola to see if that has a different effect. I also exercise vigorously for about 2 hours total per week and I've noticed other people saying that exercise may throw things off a bit.
Title: Re: Rich's progress
Post by: DirkVA on May 17, 2006, 06:12:20 PM
Rich, I wonder if you're like me in this: I keep thinking my appetite has returned, also. But if I analyze what I have actually eaten (as opposed to how I feel about it), I find I have eaten a hugely reduced amount from my former norm. Feelings about food and cold reason are, for me, vastly different matters.
Title: Re: Rich's progress
Post by: Rich on May 18, 2006, 07:41:55 AM
May 18: 233 lb., -2 lb. from 1 day ago, -8 lb. since April 30 (18 days ago)

Dirk: I think you're correct. I did snack yesterday (about 8 Oreos, yum!) and had a good sized lunch, but my dinner was fairly normal size. I think my exercise is causing me to eat more than I otherwise would, so I can't physically get by with a half a banana in a day, as some people talk about. As long as I'm losing weight I'm not particularly worried.
Title: Re: Rich's progress
Post by: DirkVA on May 18, 2006, 08:43:54 AM
And, as they say in the 12-Step programs:

Progress not Perfection

(at least not yet)!
Title: Re: Rich's progress
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 20, 2006, 07:33:02 AM
And, as they say in the 12-Step programs:

Progress not Perfection

(at least not yet)!

Also, carry sugar cubes instead of sugar in baggies, or buy the cases of office coffee sugar and just keep one with you.

Title: Re: Rich's progress
Post by: Kcbirder on May 20, 2006, 10:13:07 PM
I started with the ELOO I had in the cupboard, and it had a slightly rancid taste that turned me off.  I don't think it was old, it was just the flavor.  I've switched to Canola and have found it much more palatable (sp?)....pretty tasteless.
Title: Re: Rich's progress
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 21, 2006, 06:17:41 AM
I posted about the diet over at http://www.SparkPeople.com and you would of thought I joined a cult!  :lol: I'll post again today... with my weight loss results.

If you've got a link to where you posted, I'd love to read the comments and such.
Title: Re: Rich's progress
Post by: Rich on May 21, 2006, 08:05:27 PM
May 21: 235 lb., +2 lb from 3 days ago, -6 lb since April 30, 21 days ago.

(Lack of) Weight Loss: I notice my appetite is diminished, but it's not showing up in the weight loss for the last few days. I'm not particularly concerned about my lack of weight loss in the past week. I feel like I must be losing and it will show up at some point. Then I can tell people!

Junk Food: I went to a family event this weekend. Before our main meal we had big bowls of chips, salsa, and dip. Before SLD I would feast on these chips, then eat the main meal. This time I had a few chips, but stopped because I wanted to wait for the main meal. It was easy to wait.

Canola Oil: I prefer this to the olive oil. It has the added advantage of being only a fraction of the price of ELOO. I also just found out that the term 'canola' was popularized only around 20 years ago.
Title: Re: Rich's progress
Post by: Will on May 22, 2006, 12:37:33 PM
Hey Rich, it sounds like you are losing almost exaclty like you should.  1-2 lbs a week is considered a healthy pace by most medical professionals.  If you have lost 6 lbs in 21 days you are right on target.  Congratulations!
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 6 lb. in 22 days
Post by: Rich on May 23, 2006, 09:42:36 AM
May 23: 235 lb., unchanged from 2 days ago, -6 lb since April 30, 23 days ago.

(Lack of) Weight Loss: continues. I haven't lost anything in the last week. I have no plans to stop taking the oil, however. I take 2.5 Tbsp (300 cal) per day. I've stopped taking the sugar water. If I don't lose anything in the next week I may go back to some oil and some sugar.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 6 lb. in 22 days
Post by: Rich on May 24, 2006, 08:35:43 AM
May 24: 233 lb., -2 lb. from one day ago, -8 lb since April 30, 24 days ago.

Weight Loss resumes after a week long pause.

Bad Idea of the Day: Each day I take a vitamin pill, a (coated) baby aspirin, and two fish oil capsules. I figured I'd take them using my morning 1.5 Tbsp of oil instead of a gulp of water. Ugh, I was totally grossed out. Back to water for the pills.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 6 lb. in 22 days
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 27, 2006, 05:46:09 PM
May 24: 233 lb., -2 lb. from one day ago, -8 lb since April 30, 24 days ago.

Weight Loss resumes after a week long pause.

Bad Idea of the Day: Each day I take a vitamin pill, a (coated) baby aspirin, and two fish oil capsules. I figured I'd take them using my morning 1.5 Tbsp of oil instead of a gulp of water. Ugh, I was totally grossed out. Back to water for the pills.

I hit a steady stream of plateaus and break throughs in the past six months.  I eventually just got used to it, though it was strange (usually a plateau is a signal that a diet is about to fail, on shangri-la it is a signal my body is getting ready for the next batch of weight loss).
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 8 lb. in 24 days
Post by: jzkc on May 28, 2006, 07:27:36 AM
Hey, Stephen M., I didn't want to muck up the FAQ child board with replies, but wanted to let you know that I found your post on cycles and plateaus very, very helpful.  Thanks a lot for that.  Recommended reading for everyone here!
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 8 lb. in 24 days
Post by: Rich on May 29, 2006, 02:11:55 PM
May 29: 234 lb., +1 lb. from 5 days ago, -7 lb. since April 30, 29 days ago.

Signal to noise: I weighed in this morning at 237 lb. But due to a lazy holiday, I had a chance to hop on the scale several more times. Just a couple of hours later I was 234 lb. I'm convinced that my weight varies by 3-4 lbs. during the day. I suspect this is the reason for some plateaus. I'm measuring my weight every day, but not posting here every day.

Not working: I suspect many frequent dieters associate the feeling of hunger as a sign of losing weight. It's difficult to get your mind around the idea that you can lose weight even though you feel satisfied after eating. On Saturday I had a nice breakfast: two eggs, an English muffin, and a strip of bacon. I felt as though I overate. But when I was thinking back, I realized that I hadn't really overeaten. That is the unusual part of losing weight this way.
Title: Re: Rich's progress
Post by: Dixie_Amazon on May 30, 2006, 12:34:12 AM
I posted about the diet over at http://www.SparkPeople.com and you would of thought I joined a cult!  :lol: I'll post again today... with my weight loss results.

If you've got a link to where you posted, I'd love to read the comments and such.

http://www.sparkpeople.com/myspark/messageboard.asp?imboard=1&imparent=2231749   (http://www.sparkpeople.com/myspark/messageboard.asp?imboard=1&imparent=2231749 ) Sorry I didn't respond sooner.
 
 
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 8 lb. in 24 days
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 30, 2006, 06:28:52 AM
Hey, Stephen M., I didn't want to muck up the FAQ child board with replies, but wanted to let you know that I found your post on cycles and plateaus very, very helpful.  Thanks a lot for that.  Recommended reading for everyone here!

I'm glad it was useful for you.  I'm all for comments and replies on my comments at least. ;)
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 8 lb. in 30 days
Post by: Rich on May 30, 2006, 10:09:53 AM
May 30: 233 lb., -1 lb. from 1 day ago, -8 lb. since April 30 (30 days ago)

Holiday Weekend: I've maintained my weight despite consuming significantly more alcohol than usual and eating such health foods as hamburgers, hot dogs, potato chips, and so on. I especially ate a lot on Sunday. On Monday, by contrast, I had just one large meal and a couple of snacks. I feel like my body is just not allowing me to overeat substantially. Amazing.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 8 lb. in 30 days
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 30, 2006, 12:45:49 PM
May 30: 233 lb., -1 lb. from 1 day ago, -8 lb. since April 30 (30 days ago)

Holiday Weekend: I've maintained my weight despite consuming significantly more alcohol than usual and eating such health foods as hamburgers, hot dogs, potato chips, and so on. I especially ate a lot on Sunday. On Monday, by contrast, I had just one large meal and a couple of snacks. I feel like my body is just not allowing me to overeat substantially. Amazing.

Good to hear it is working for you.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 11 lb. in 32 days
Post by: Rich on June 01, 2006, 08:14:39 AM
June 1: 230 lb. -3 lb. from 2 days ago, -11 lb. from April 30 (32 days ago).

Weight Loss Phases: This morning I thought I looked thinner in the mirror. For me there are three phases to any weight loss: (1) seeing the loss on the scale, (2) feeling my clothes becoming looser, and (3) seeing myself becoming thinner in the mirror.

Plateau: I had thought I plateaued over the past couple of weeks, but today's weight is the lowest since I started the SLD plan. When I plot my daily weight measurements, I see a noisy signal, but one clearly trending down. I think 11 lb. in 4.5 weeks is not bad. I wouldn't mind if the weight loss slows to more like 1-2 lb. per week.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 8 lb. in 36 days
Post by: Rich on June 05, 2006, 11:12:52 AM
June 5: 233 lb. +3 lb. from 2 days ago, -8 lb. from April 30 (36 days ago).

Yeah, I'm technically up 3 pounds. I'm not bothered by this, for two reasons:

1. I redid my spreadsheet to graph the 7-day moving average of my weight. That graph shows a slow but steady decline for the past two weeks. Daily measurements are essentially compared to the measurement for a week earlier.

2. I can see a difference in my weight in the mirror.

1300 Readers: About 1300 people have read these posts about my progress. I am astounded by this. I hope I have said something that made your visit worthwhile.

Shot glass: I bought a measuring shot glasses at Linens and Things for about a buck each. These have really made it easy to measure the oil. I just pour the desired amount into the shot glass and toss it back. Caution: Some of the shot glasses at Linens and Things had the printing clearly misaligned. Make sure the measurements are consistent: 1 tbsp = 1/2 oz = 3 tsp.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 7 lb. in 37 days
Post by: Rich on June 06, 2006, 08:59:54 AM
June 6: 234 lb. +1 lb. from 1 day ago, -7 lb. from April 30 (37 days ago).

Today is more discouraging than yesterday. My graph shows a definite plateau and my seven day average shows an uptick (because I am 1 lb more than I was one week ago). However, it's impossible not to notice how my clothes are looser, so I guess things are okay. I just want instant gratification!

I have been taking 2.5 tbsp canola oil per day for the last couple of weeks. My plateau - if this is one - seems to have started around the time of that switch. I'll see what happens in the next week or so and maybe think about tweaking things.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 8 lb. in 39 days
Post by: Rich on June 08, 2006, 07:56:03 AM
June 8: 233 lb. -1 lb. from 2 days ago, -8 lb. from April 30 (39 days ago)

Plateau: Overall I have not lost any weight in two weeks. This is a little discouraging. Yesterday I took 3 tbsp. of canola oil instead of my usual 2.5 tbsp. But now I'm reading that some people kick start their weight loss by cutting down on the oil. Maybe I'm taking too much. My BMI is 30, and I certainly have some fat on me, but also a decent amount of muscle.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 12 lb. in 40 days
Post by: Rich on June 09, 2006, 10:03:52 AM
June 9: 229 lb. -4 lb. from 1 day ago, -12 lb. from April 30 (40 days ago)

I also weighed myself at my gym after exercising and I was 227.4 lb. I'm sticking with 229, but it is fun to think I'm down nearly 14 lb from about 6 weeks ago.

After complaining for three days about a plateau, today was encouraging. I take 2.5 tbsp/day of canola normally, but two days ago I took 3 tbsp. Yesterday I snacked less and didn't even eat dinner because I was busy until 9pm and at that point I didn't feel like cooking or having anything. I fully anticipate bouncing back up a couple of pounds, but today's data point is a nice one.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 9 lb. in 44 days
Post by: Rich on June 13, 2006, 10:08:05 AM
June 13: 232 lb., +3 lb from 4 days ago, -9 lb. from April 30 (44 days ago)

Trend still down: I ate quite a bit this weekend and only took a total of 2.5 Tbsp canola over the 2 days, but my seven day moving average is still at a minimum. Here's an overview of my progress on the plan over the past 6+ weeks.

First 2 weeks: I was all over the place from a high of 242 to a low of 232.
Next 1.5 weeks: 235 lb.
Next 2 weeks: 233 lb,
Past week: 232 lb.

My progress has been gradual and I've never had the dramatic loss of appetite that the book describes. I am concerned that people drop off the plan too quickly when they find that they still have an appetite. They may think it's not working. It's hard to notice a difference in eating of a few hundred calories a day until the deficit accumulates for several weeks, but some people are not patient.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 9 lb. in 44 days
Post by: Will on June 13, 2006, 11:38:48 AM
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My progress has been gradual and I've never had the dramatic loss of appetite that the book describes. I am concerned that people drop off the plan too quickly when they find that they still have an appetite. They may think it's not working. It's hard to notice a difference in eating of a few hundred calories a day until the deficit accumulates for several weeks, but some people are not patient.

I think this is the biggest concern with any diet.  People tend to become easily discouraged and give up when any kind of plateau or slowdown starts to occur.  People tend to have innaccurate ideas of how fast you can/should lose weight.  People misunderstand that weight does not equal fat, so if you are lifting weights or exercising your weight could be edging up even though your fat level is dropping.  Like most things in the human condition, it is more complicated than it initially seems.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 9 lb. in 44 days
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 13, 2006, 08:29:35 PM
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My progress has been gradual and I've never had the dramatic loss of appetite that the book describes. I am concerned that people drop off the plan too quickly when they find that they still have an appetite. They may think it's not working. It's hard to notice a difference in eating of a few hundred calories a day until the deficit accumulates for several weeks, but some people are not patient.

I think this is the biggest concern with any diet.  People tend to become easily discouraged and give up when any kind of plateau or slowdown starts to occur.  People tend to have innaccurate ideas of how fast you can/should lose weight.  People misunderstand that weight does not equal fat, so if you are lifting weights or exercising your weight could be edging up even though your fat level is dropping.  Like most things in the human condition, it is more complicated than it initially seems.

The real reason people give up at plateaus is that in a classical diet, once you hit the plateau, you've hit the failure stage.  A classic diet works because you are changing the flavors and types of food you are eating.  When the change wears off, then you plateau.  Then the yo-yo kicks in and you are in full fledged failure.

In this method, a plateau is just a plateau.  I've lost about 63 pounds (down another half pound this morning).  The last forty pounds lost, about half of the time in the last five months (I've been on seven months today) has been spent on plateaus.

I was kind of depressed at the start of this week, another 3-4 days of a plateau, when I realized that I'd lost almost ten pounds in the last month (actually ten pounds in 33 days). While my weight loss has varied, from 15 to 5 pounds a month, it is usually about eight pounds a month.  The plateaus cause me to lose sight of that, which is why keeping a record is so important to me.

But, plateaus don't mean failure in the Shangri-la diet.  Often they seem to be just water retention, as people often lose belt sizes during them (I did on the last plateau, which was strange).

Also, it is important to realize that many people lose 2-3 pounds a month on the diet, so a little bit of fluctuation or water retention can mask a lot.  A pint of water, two cups, is one pound.

Keep it up.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 12 lb. in 47 days
Post by: Rich on June 16, 2006, 10:08:02 AM
June 16: 229 lb. -3 lb. from 3 days ago, -12 lb. from April 30 (47 days ago)

I'm definitely back to losing weight and I now feel more appetite reduction. Two nights ago I didn't eat anything in the evening and last night I had only a small snack after not snacking at all during the day. On most days I find myself completely satisfied at breakfast with just a single bowl of cereal. This does not  feel like dieting!

McDonald's Fries: I had a completely unique experience yesterday. While out for a lunchtime walk, I stopped at McDonald's and grabbed a side salad and a small fries to go with my lunch. I got back to my office and got distracted. By the time I remembered and went for the fries they were completely cold and I only had a few before tossing the rest. I have never "forgotten" about McDonald's fries before.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 10 lb. in 50 days
Post by: Rich on June 19, 2006, 08:56:28 AM
June 19: 231 lb. +2 lb. from 3 days ago, -10 lb. from April 30 (50 days ago)

Up a bit from the weekend, but that seems typical. I weigh in at slightly different times on the weekends compared to weekdays. I'm down 1 lb. from last Monday.

Telling people: At a Father's day gathering someone finally noticed that I had been losing weight, so I decided to explain how. I said that I'd show them how I am losing weight. I then poured just over 1 cup of canola oil into a measuring cup and said that I drink this every week to lose weight. (I consume 2.5 Tbsp. per day). I explained the plan and got surprisingly few questions. I did recommend (1) starting with 1 tsp oil at a time for the first couple of days and building up to whatever dose is desired and (2) trying the plan for 6 weeks before making any conclusion about it.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 12 lb. in 47 days
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on June 19, 2006, 08:11:45 PM
June 16: 229 lb. -3 lb. from 3 days ago, -12 lb. from April 30 (47 days ago)

I'm definitely back to losing weight and I now feel more appetite reduction. Two nights ago I didn't eat anything in the evening and last night I had only a small snack after not snacking at all during the day. On most days I find myself completely satisfied at breakfast with just a single bowl of cereal. This does not  feel like dieting!

McDonald's Fries: I had a completely unique experience yesterday. While out for a lunchtime walk, I stopped at McDonald's and grabbed a side salad and a small fries to go with my lunch. I got back to my office and got distracted. By the time I remembered and went for the fries they were completely cold and I only had a few before tossing the rest. I have never "forgotten" about McDonald's fries before.


Neat about the fries.  I ended up forgetting about the Panucchi my mother-in-law sent me for Christmas.

I find my weight goes in a cycle, including plateaus spaced with weight loss.  I'm comfortable with it, but it took me several months of it before I was ready to believe in things.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 8 lb. in 51 days
Post by: Rich on June 20, 2006, 02:11:35 PM
June 20: 233 lb. +1 lb. from 1 day ago. -8 lb. from April 30 (51 days ago)

Up again. I'm in a bit of a rebound situation here. My appetite was high yesterday and I ate a lot. I'm not concerned. I may increase my canola dose from 2.5 Tbsp. to 3.0 Tbsp tomorrow. I have done that in the past when I've plateaued or gone up and it has a noticeable effect. I'm still down 1 lb. per week using a plan I can keep doing indefinitely.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 8 lb. in 51 days
Post by: Rich on June 20, 2006, 05:24:25 PM
My french fries story made the front page (Hot off the forums)

I guess Seth is reading my stuff after all! Now I'll try to stop being so repetitive.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 12 lb. in 54 days (7+ weeks)
Post by: Rich on June 23, 2006, 07:55:58 AM
June 23: 229 lb. -4 lb. from 3 days ago, -12 lb. from April 30, 54 days ago.

I've hit a bit of a plateau in the past week or so, but I'm less concerned about that than I was earlier.

I had to go through my closet and find some pants that fit better since my previous ones were looking pretty loose.

I bought a second copy of this book for someone and loaned out my copy to yet someone else. I wanted to spread the word, but not until I tried the plan for myself and saw that it worked.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 13 lb. in 57 days (8+ weeks)
Post by: Rich on June 26, 2006, 10:10:46 AM
June 26: 228 lb. -1 lb. from 3 days ago, -13 lb. from April 30, 57 days ago.

On Saturday I had a very large dinner (well, very large for me now), but on Sunday I ate very little. My dinner plate looked pretty meager, although after I ate I was quite satisfied. Also on Saturday I bought some brewpub beer that I particularly like. I still haven't had any of it yet! Maybe tonight. Which brings up:

Groceries: I am still not completely accustomed to eating less. It's a little hard to buy the correct amount of food and avoid having stuff go bad before I get around to eating it.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 9 lb. in 60 days (8+ weeks)
Post by: Rich on June 29, 2006, 08:02:55 AM
June 29: 232 lb. +4 lb. from 3 days ago, -9 lb. from April 30, 60 days ago.

My appetite has increased a bit, although last night I didn't eat dinner after having a very large lunch. I might be on a bit of a plateau, but the noisy data makes it hard to tell for sure.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 12 lb. in 65 days (9+ weeks)
Post by: Rich on July 05, 2006, 07:02:52 AM
July 4: 229 lb. -3 lb. from 5 days ago, -12 lb. from April 30, 65 days ago.

Wednesday's Weight: After 229 lb. yesterday, I weighed in this morning at a whopping 234. I decided to post yesterday's number. I have definitely plateaued for the past three weeks. Part of the problem, I think, is that I've been having many "special" dinners and cookouts and stuff like that. I hope to get back on a more normal diet soon.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 9 lb. in 68 days (9+ weeks)
Post by: Rich on July 07, 2006, 11:45:51 AM
July 7: 232 lb. +3 lb. from 3 days ago, -9 lb. from April 30, 68 days ago.

3 Week Plateau: I've measured 1 lb. lower in each of the past 2 days, which is nice. But I've lost no weight overall in three weeks. My 7 day moving average is up 1.5 lb. from 2 weeks ago.

I guess the nice thing about this plan is that it's so easy to just keep going with it despite the apparent lack of recent progress.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 10 lb. in 71 days (10 weeks)
Post by: Rich on July 10, 2006, 11:09:19 AM
July 10: 231 lb. -1 lb. from 3 days ago, -10 lb. from April 30, 71 days ago.

Saturday for the first time I took my full 2.5 tbsp of canola in one dose because I didn't know if I would be able to take a second dose conveniently during the rest of the day. My body handled it just fine, so I may do that more in the future.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 10 lb. in 74 days (10+ weeks)
Post by: Rich on July 13, 2006, 07:41:03 AM
July 13: 231 lb. +0 lb. from 3 days ago, -10 lb. from April 30, 74 days ago.

No Net Loss: Based on my 7-day moving average, I've had no net weight loss since June 17, 26 days ago.

Intraday Weight Loss: Yesterday morning I weighed an unusually high 235 lb., (rounded from 234.6) my highest reading since May 23, 51 days ago. So I skipped breakfast and fluids and did my daily exercise. By early afternoon I weighed 230 lb. (rounded from 230.4 on a different scale) so I have recorded that lower number for yesterday.

Single Large Dose: I continue to take my 2.5 Tbsp of canola in one dose when I wake up. I have had no ill effects from canola oil
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 10 lb. in 74 days (10+ weeks)
Post by: Seth Roberts on July 13, 2006, 11:58:43 AM
A month without weight loss can be a plateau. Two months, however, you may have reached the limits of what you are doing. I would expect more weight loss from 2.5 T of oil  but there is lots of variation from one person to the next. If you think you have levelled off for good there are at least two options I would suggest:

1. increase the oil by 1 T

2. start consuming randomly flavored calories. Any food you want -- the more nutritious the better. The more calories the better.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 11 lb. in 77 days (11 weeks)
Post by: Rich on July 17, 2006, 08:45:35 AM
July 16: 230 lb. -1 lb. from 3 days earlier, -11 lb. from April 30, 77 days ago.

Still no net loss since June 17, but I think I'm back on the downward track. In the past month I gained 2 lb. and subsequently lost 1 lb.

My weight may seem high, and my weight loss may seem modest, but I'm tall, somewhat muscular, and I think few people would consider me substantially overweight. Losing 1 lb. per week is fine with me. I'd like to lose another 15-20 lb.

Thanks for the suggestions, Seth. I will consider these if my weight loss does stall for another month.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 8 lb. in 80 days (11+ weeks)
Post by: Rich on July 19, 2006, 03:34:57 PM
July 19: 233 lb. +3 lb. from 3 days ago. -8 lb. from April 30 (80 days ago)

Plateau? Still no net loss since mid-June. However, I feel like my belt is marginally looser than a couple of weeks ago. I also reiterate that this method is so easy that it doesn't make sense to me to do anything other than continue.

Spicing? I experimented a little with some crazy spicing. I grabbed three or four spices and added them to my leftover homemade spaghetti. I added some other spices to my salad. I don't know if that's crazy enough for Seth, who seems to recommend three or more spice blends, rather than just three spices. But it can't hurt.

More Oil? I've been taking 2.5 Tbsp canola oil per day for a long time. I may take Seth's suggestion and add an additional 1 Tbsp dose at mid-morning. Since I run 2+ miles per day, maybe I need more flavorless calories to see a greater effect.

Mush? I am also fascinated with the Beneke mush method and I might have to give that a try at some point. Thanks to porkypine for the neat photos.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 11 lb. in 82 days (11+ weeks)
Post by: Rich on July 21, 2006, 09:21:12 AM
July 21: 230 lb. -3 lb. from 2 days ago. -11 lb. from April 30 (82 days ago)

I wanted to update my results from 2 days ago. I don't really have anything new to say today.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 10 lb. in 86 days (12+ weeks)
Post by: Rich on July 25, 2006, 08:46:09 AM
July 25: 231 lb. +1 lb. from 4 days ago. -10 lb. from April 30 (86 days ago)

I still have no net loss since mid-June, but in the past few days I've been feeling noticeably less hungry.

New low: On Sunday I managed to get my weight down to 227, a new low since I started this plan. That was after skipping my usual breakfast and exercising. I believe I might be starting to lose again.

Added water to oil: I've been a little concerned about the flavor of the oil. It doesn't taste completely flavorless to me. So In the past couple of weeks I've taken my oil as follows:

1. Drink water, but don't swallow it
2. Pour oil on top of the water
3. Swallow combination
4. Drink some more water

This seems to eliminate all or nearly all of the taste. I think it enhances the effect of the oil and accounts for some of my recent lack of appetite.

Crazy Spicing: I am spicing some of my food in random ways, especially lunch leftovers. I don't use all that much, but I think it's also helping and accounts for some of my recent lack of appetite. I have about 20 different spices. I think I need a little more variety.

Yesterday I went out for a big dinner. I really wanted to clean my plate, but I just couldn't. Six months ago that would not have been true. Even two weeks ago I think I could have managed to eat it all.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 10 lb. in 86 days (12+ weeks)
Post by: jam on July 25, 2006, 09:05:47 AM
I put a little sugar/fructose on the back of my tongue, pour the oil in and swallow it all at once. Then wash it all down with water. The sugar pretty much masks the oil taste for me. Half a teaspoon is enough.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 10 lb. in 86 days (12+ weeks)
Post by: frenata on July 25, 2006, 09:07:00 AM
Whoa, Rich. You have definitely earned the SLD Patience Award. And a big gold star. And an icecream.

Okay, scratch the icecream.

I've had slow weight loss lately, too, but I haven't been tempted to quit. It's easy, it's cheap, it's working (however slowly) and there are other benefits. I am feeling no pain.

This morning, I made Frenata's version of Seth's protein drink. We'll see if that helps. It's lunchtime and I'm not even interested in soup. Which is a little sad, as I've got a ton of work on at the moment and that pathetic little bowl of soup was my one bright spot every day.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 11 lb. in 91 days (13 weeks)
Post by: Rich on July 30, 2006, 01:56:41 PM
July 30: 230 lb. -1 lb. from 5 days ago. -11 lb. from April 30 (91 days ago)

Three months for me.

I guess I'm plateaued, but I am considering doing one or more of the following:

1. Beneke method
2. Nose Clips
3. Add 1 Tbsp more oil per day

I am a bit reluctant to add more oil because it seems as though it would not be very nutritious.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 11 lb. in 94 days (13+ weeks)
Post by: Rich on August 02, 2006, 08:33:41 AM
Aug 2: 230 lb. +0 lb. from 3 days ago. -11 lb. from April 30 (94 days ago)

Losing Slowly? I think I'm still losing weight, but very slowly. I haven't done any of the three enhancements I talked about Saturday. I've had four consecutive readings at 230 lb., and after exercising one day I actually got the gym scale to show a number in the 226.x range.

Skeptics: I read the Olympian article Seth pointed us to. I am disappointed at how dietary "experts" so readily dismiss this plan without even attempting to explain why the underlying idea is wrong. I read Seth's book and the MR/Freakonomics postings that led up to the book and thought the underlying idea sounded at least plausible. Skepticism is certainly appropriate, but this plan has shown some promising results.

I'm a software developer. If someone were to come along with a provocative argument that some disfavored programming practice could be tweaked slightly and would then result in substantial productivity gains, I'd naturally be skeptical. (Use more 'goto' statements, program five times faster!)

But if several disinterested people had actually tried the new programming idea and had documented their productivity increases, I think that would merit some further investigation. That's where things are with the Shangri La Diet, except that it's far easier to measure weight than it is to measure programming productivity.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 12 lb. in 96 days (13+ weeks)
Post by: Rich on August 04, 2006, 09:49:10 AM
Aug 4: 229 lb. -1 lb. from 3 days ago. -12 lb. from April 30 (96 days ago)

Nothing particularly interesting to report today. I'm continuing to lose slowly without making any changes. I still take 2.5 Tbsp. canola in the morning, although when my current (enormous) jug of oil runs out I might try one of those with more omega 3s.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 12 lb. in 100 days (14+ weeks)
Post by: Rich on August 08, 2006, 08:02:08 AM
Aug 8: 229 lb. +0 lb. from 4 days ago. -12 lb. from April 30 (100 days ago)

I'm posting today because I've reached the 100 day milestone. 1000 days here I come!
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 12 lb. in 100 days (14+ weeks)
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on August 08, 2006, 10:12:03 AM
Aug 8: 229 lb. +0 lb. from 4 days ago. -12 lb. from April 30 (100 days ago)

I'm posting today because I've reached the 100 day milestone. 1000 days here I come!


Congrats!
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 12 lb. in 105 days (15 weeks)
Post by: Rich on August 14, 2006, 08:34:46 AM
Aug 13: 229 lb. +0 lb. from 5 days ago. -12 lb. from April 30 (105 days ago)

It's pretty clear to me that I've plateaued with my daily dose of 2.5 Tbsp of canola oil. I don't want to take more oil because I'm concerned about the lack of nutrition.

I am working on making some Beneke method mush, but the health food store was closed Sunday. I'm trying again today.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 12 lb. in 107 days (15+ weeks)
Post by: Rich on August 16, 2006, 09:05:16 AM
Aug 15: 229 lb. +0 lb. from 2 days ago. -12 lb. from April 30 (107 days ago)

I made the Beneke mush Monday night. I used broccoli and a plum as my vegetable and fruit. I ended up with about 600g of brown mush. It is a bit thicker than peanut butter, but not as sticky.

Wednesday morning was the first time I tried to use it as a real source of flavorless calories, in addition to my usual 2.5 Tbsp of canola oil.

I portioned out 150g of mush, thinking that might be about 400 calories or so. I could only eat about 50g in ten minutes. That amounted to about 9 or 10 little balls of mush.

I don't know if this is something you get good at with practice, but trying to eat it without flavor was quite difficult. Sometimes my little ball would go down smoothly and I would taste nothing. Other times I would taste the flavor a bit. I would try to rinse it out, but I found that difficult to do effectively.

If anyone has pointers on other people (besides Tim Beneke) doing this successfully, please let me know.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 12 lb. in 107 days (15+ weeks)
Post by: Seth Roberts on August 16, 2006, 10:05:00 AM
have you tried nose-clipping?
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 12 lb. in 107 days (15+ weeks)
Post by: dgrillot2000 on August 16, 2006, 12:58:30 PM
I made the Beneke mush Monday night. I used broccoli and a plum as my vegetable and fruit. I ended up with about 600g of brown mush. It is a bit thicker than peanut butter, but not as sticky.

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My wife and I made a batch of the stuff for the first time a couple of weeks ago.  It really is a gooy brown mess which looks like........well I leave that to your imagination.  Stirring it was the hardest part.   We had to add lots of water in order to mix it up.  We rolled it out and put some in the freezer and baked some.  After baking we broke it into little squares.  It is easy to carry in a little baggy and I use it to quell any hunger pangs during the day.  I can't throw it down my throat the way some people indicate, but I chew it like a piece of crumbly granola bar.  Not exactly the most tasty food but I guess that is the idea.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 12 lb. in 107 days (15+ weeks)
Post by: Rich on August 17, 2006, 11:48:48 AM
I had better luck this morning with the Beneke mush. I managed to eat 85g and I think I'm getting a better feel for the consistency needed. I had some that was a bit too thin, so I microwaved it and made it thicker.

I did not add any water while making the mush.

As dgrillot says, I guess you could chew the mush, but I think that might be defeating its purpose. Even if the flavor wouldn't be considered tasty, I still think it would raise my set point. I am taking the mush by taking a drink of water, tilting my head way back, and tossing in the small ball as though it were a pill.

Seth: I will look for my nose clips. This morning I tried to pinch my nose if I sensed that I might be exposed to flavor.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 13 lb. in 118 days (16+ weeks)
Post by: Rich on August 26, 2006, 03:08:28 PM
Aug 26: 228 lb. -1 lb. from 11 days ago. -13 lb. from April 30 (118 days ago)

Today's weight is my lowest measurement in the last 10 days or so. I think I've plateaued. I've tried the mush, but it's a bit hard to do, so I haven't been as diligent as I should be. But I think I'll keep trying it. I had a bit yesterday, maybe 50 g or so, but nothing today. Next time I think I'll cook it down a bit more so it's not quite so sticky.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 13 lb. in 118 days (16+ weeks)
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on August 26, 2006, 04:18:29 PM
Aug 26: 228 lb. -1 lb. from 11 days ago. -13 lb. from April 30 (118 days ago)

Today's weight is my lowest measurement in the last 10 days or so. I think I've plateaued. I've tried the mush, but it's a bit hard to do, so I haven't been as diligent as I should be. But I think I'll keep trying it. I had a bit yesterday, maybe 50 g or so, but nothing today. Next time I think I'll cook it down a bit more so it's not quite so sticky.

I spend about half of my time on plateaus.  At first they worried me, now I just accept them as normal.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 8 lb. in 131 days (18+ weeks)
Post by: Rich on September 08, 2006, 11:00:26 AM
Sept 8: 233 lb. +5 lb. from 13 days ago, -8 lb. from April 30 (131 days ago)

For the past two weeks or so I've increased my oil to 3.5 Tbsp from the previous 2.5 Tbsp. I take my flavorless calories every day and I don't take any other flavors within one hour. Last weekend I weighed 229 at one point, so today's measurement is a bit on the high side for me.

I am on a plateau that has lasted since June. I tried Beneke mush, but I found that hard to take reliably.

I have yet to try nose clips but maybe I'll do that if I can find the darn things. I hate buying stuff I know I have "somewhere"
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 8 lb. in 131 days (18+ weeks)
Post by: Seth Roberts on September 24, 2006, 11:28:35 AM
an alternative to nose-clipping is to add random spices to a smoothie -- the smoothie can be made of anything you want, the more nutritious and the more calories the better, the spices keep it from tasting familiar.
Title: Re: Rich's progress down 8 lb. in 131 days (18+ weeks)
Post by: Rich on August 02, 2007, 12:09:09 PM
Aug 2, 2007: 223 lb. -10 from Jul 9, 2007, 24 days ago
Jul 9, 2007: 233lb. +0 lb. from Sept 8, 2006

I started dieting again Monday July 9. I was using nose clips for the first 10 days or so, but since then I've been using willpower and not really doing the SLD. Until today I hadn't realized that I've stayed more or less the same weight for 10 months despite not dieting.