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Title: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: taymac on May 04, 2006, 12:16:34 PM
I've been on the diet for three days now and decided to check my weight today - down 3 lbs. I'm not really surprised at that part -early diet success. What is surprising is that I haven't changed ANYTHING including dessert last night - except that I take the oil 2x daily.†

However ... I went to lunch today with a friend, ate half a Greek salad (unbelievable!!), mentioned to the waitress they should cut their portion sizes down and came home feeling uncomfortable, almost ill. Right now I don't think I could face food in any shape or form - maybe tomorrow.† Maybe I'm just coming down with something.

When those of you who have been at this a little longer than us newbies got into the program for a while and you say your appetite diminished, do you mean you couldn't face food? I think I'm just eating by the clock, from habit - not checking with my hunger signals. This is a little disconcerting for me. When I read last night about some folks having one large meal a day and several small snacks I almost laughed - I'd never be able to do that. Now I'm really contemplating it.

This is new territory for me - any insights would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: dred on May 04, 2006, 03:02:10 PM
My wife and I are both on the diet. My eating interest went pretty much to zero from the first spoon of canola. I felt exactly the same way as you did -- no way I would eat just a piece of fruit and one meal. Then I found myself looking down at a half plate of pasta thinking, "do I really eat this much?" Last night I took my daughter for pizza and we both ate one piece. It is surreal.

The influence on my wife has been much more mixed.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: mimir on May 04, 2006, 04:40:11 PM
Today was my fourth day on the diet, and I wish I could say that my appetite had disappeared. It has diminished, but I do still get hungry. In fact, last night I took 2 tbsp. of oil for the first time (up till then I had been taking the sugar in mid morning and mid afternoon). Anyway, within an hour of taking the oil last night I was hungry. I hadn't been hungry at night at all when I took the sugar in the afternoon. So I don't know what to make of it. I think I'll stick to the sugar as much as I can, and only take the oil when I won't be able to get to a bathroom.

Even with the sugar in mid morning and afternoon, though, I am getting hungry, but not to the point where I feel like I'm going to pass out if I don't eat, which is what used to happen. I've been able to wait until normal meal times to eat without any trouble.

So far I've lost 4 pounds in 4 days, and have only cut out between meal snacks. Not bad, I'd say.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: GCHM on May 05, 2006, 06:01:17 AM
mimir,

it took me a few days to figure out what times taking the oil working best for me.  i haven't really changed the way i eat, but i am now automatically choosing healthier and more nutritious foods when i am hungry...good luck

gchm
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: jzkc on May 06, 2006, 10:42:14 AM
My appetite has been cut so dramatically that I find myself being very careful to choose highly nutritious foods when I do eat because I know I won't feel like eating much.  I'm also being careful to get at least 1200 calories in a day (including the oil calories).  I am just drop-jawed at how well this is working for me.  My work schedule and meal schedule tends to be very erratic, so I have not established any kind of schedule for getting my 3 T. of oil in, but it's been very easy to find that two-hour window between flavors at least twice a day.  I started May 1.  Late-night, before-bed snacking for the past three or four days has been nonexistent. 
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Makaren on May 06, 2006, 11:33:39 PM
This is only my second day on the diet and the first day with the really correct products.  I have to say I'm pleased with my body's reaction.  The oil is more effective than the sugar water but I do use both -- the oil in the morning and the sugar water in the afternoon or evening.  What I can say is that my appetite is definitely effected.  It's not that I'm not hungry -- it's that I don't want to eat.  There is a subtle difference.  I also find that when I can quiet the food noise in my head, I tend to make better food choices.  I did a spot check of my calories and ended up at about 1500 for the day.  I'm well aware that all of my reactions could be the honeymoon blush of a new diet regime.  Only time will tell.  At least this is easy and cheap.

Makaren
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Allison717 on May 07, 2006, 06:41:49 AM
I also find that when I can quiet the food noise in my head, I tend to make better food choices.

This is definitely true for me.  I feel a sense of freedom that comes from not having my day centered around what I get to eat. 

I recently (early April) did a 9-day cleansing program with Isagenix, and I felt the same mental freedom then -- but it was because my eating was planned for me, not because I was making better choices by default.  Besides that, I was HUNGRY all the time.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: sweetie on May 07, 2006, 09:10:21 AM
I am finding the biggest change for me is having the element of CHOICE.† My eating felt so out of control before, but now I can actually make thought out choices about when and what and how much to eat.† So, my eating habits have gone from chaotic to quite civilized!
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Stephen M (Ethesis) on May 07, 2006, 06:59:53 PM
I changed, but mostly to make sure I got enough protien in my diet now that I don't feel like eating.  I've blogged about what I eat at http://ethesis.blogspot.com/

Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: auntialias on May 07, 2006, 07:25:38 PM
I've reported my initial findings (for what, 2 days? 3 days?) in this thread (report your progress) (http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?topic=185.0).

Have been taking 1 - 1.5T oil one time per day (I think I'll increase it to 2x/day, starting later on tonight). I've noticed that I get full on smaller amounts of food. Or, at least, I find it easy to stop and say, "I'm done."

My usual live-and-work-at-home habit has been to brew a pot of coffee (half caf/half decaf), which I pour into thermos and then drink for most of duration of morning. I, er, think I'm going to have to change that, if I'm to get in the 2-hours-nuthin'-but-water (and oil) period in the a.m. Maybe will brew smaller pot, so as to run out faster.

But I like the fullness awareness, and the option of choosing to prepare ridiculously wonderful food, but in small portions that I otherwise wouldn't make before (home made pastrami melt: half-a-sandwich on basic/small sized bread + bowl of salad: greens/gorgonzola crumbles/toasted sliced almonds/olive oil & balsamic). Killer! All the flavor, that great crunchy texture, feeling immediately satisfied -- in that I choose to stop right now, and not make another sandwich, and that is totally okay by me, and then, not too long after, feeling full. This much smaller portion is going a longer way.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Lola on May 10, 2006, 11:11:19 AM

By the way, Seth Roberts is a psychologist.  Do ya'll ever get the feeling we might all be rats in some other kind of human behavior experiement?  Like the role of suggestion in weight loss, or something about consumer behavior?   :lol:
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Will on May 10, 2006, 11:30:32 AM
Lola - This isn't some weird experiment.  Seth is a psychologist, not a con artist.  I have actually seen this concern once or twice on the boards (Seth has responded to some of them himself), and I just don't get it.  I realize people don't want to be used (for an experiment or anything else), but I just don't get the fear that people have.  Most people here have tried lots of different diets, without success, what difference would one more make?   :roll:

It is cheap, easy and seems to work with your body instead of against it.  It works, for many people at least.  It is possible that Seth's explanation of why it works is wrong, but I am pretty sure many people don't really care that much about the science behind it, as long as it works for them.  If it doesn't work for you then it will be added to the list of "Diets that didn't work".  If it does work, do you really care if it is some strange psychological trick?  Would it bother you if a hypnotist got you to lose weight?
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Lola on May 10, 2006, 12:02:05 PM
Thanks for the response, Will.† I haven't seen those other posts that you refered to, but I would have liked to.

I wasn't really expressing fear.† It was more of a humorous observation, like, "wouldn't it be funny. . ."† I mean, here we are, all downing oil and sugar, two of the main things dieters generally avoid.† I'm sure you've heard of human behavior experiments in which participants are mislead in the purpose of said experiement.

Anyway, I am generally pretty skeptical, but I am willing to give this a shot (of oil, 2x a day :roll:).†Sorry. :oops:† I'll try to behave.†
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Will on May 10, 2006, 03:09:10 PM
Lola - I apologize if it seemed like I was attacking you.  I just find the idea that Seth is some great psychological trickster to be a weird fixation some people have.  I guess it annoys me because it is one of the first things my friends suggested when I mentioned the diet, "Oh, it is just some psychology experiment...."  I think that is a way for people to dismiss the ideas behind the diet without consideration.  I hear the same thing all the time in politics "oh s/he is a conservative/liberal you can't believe what they say."  I realize that is probably not what you meant, I was responding more to the wider idea rather than just your comment.

FWIW - I don't know Seth and haven't even finished the whole book yet.  I am only on day 2 of the diet.  It seems to be working for me so far, although I am still adjusting to the strange feelings and awkwardness of swallowing tablespoons of oil... :?
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: cjewell on May 10, 2006, 04:59:17 PM
I think most of us have thought briefly that this is a joke, Lola. I did for a few minutes, then I thought of all the other diets I've been on that just made me hungry and cranky and hopeful and how I just couldn't do that ONE MORE TIME!! Then, I thought the oil is wrong, it's too many calories-- it's FAT. Then I thought about all the times I ate a balance bar when I was starving on some diet and how that bar is basically the same amount of calories and it NEVER made me lose my appetite for longer then say 30 minutes. I was just as motivated then as now to lose weight. This is working for me as of right now. It is doing everything Seth and other said it would so I'm sticking until it doesn't. Let the miracle continue!!
Cindy
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Protein Engineer on May 10, 2006, 06:19:18 PM
I've been doing the diet for a few days now and its definitely working for me in terms of appetite suppression. Its too soon to tell if that translates to weight loss but I can tell that I'm not as hungry and have been eating less, so the weight loss should naturally follow.  I definitely think Seth is on to something here and Im fascinated by the whole mind-body/ brain-gut axis and the concept of food-calorie association.  Having said that, I am still not fully sold on the thesis of the book and I think that there is a lot that is yet to be learned here.  However I believe that Seth has presented a reasonable and quite plausible theory.  What we do know is that the body is a complex machine that can adapt better than any machine known to man.  Therefore I have a hard time believing that A) the body won't somehow adapt itslef in response to eating "zero set point" foods over the course of a lifetime, and B) that eating only a fraction of your calories as "zero set point" food will have that strong of an appetite suprressing effect (in the near and long term).    But hey what do I know, I have not thought about this nearly as much as Seth.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: jam on May 11, 2006, 06:46:09 AM
I havenít really changed my eating habits too much. I was counting calories before SLD and I continue today. I lost about 40 pounds with the calorie counting and exercise. I have only been doing SLD for 7 days and lost 3.4 pounds more. That is a little more than usual, but not out of the ordinary.

The oil has replaced my mid-morning and afternoon snacks, which usually consisted of raw fruits and vegetables. Now I need to work those missing raw foods into my lunch and dinners. I log my food and exercise online and have noticed that the percent of fat in my diet has increase from the oil.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: mjohnson121 on May 11, 2006, 11:36:51 AM
Protein Enginner:

Good points. I like the idea of being a fair skeptic and being willing to experiment rather than a dismissive skeptic (which many seem to be these days). As far as adapting to the diet over a period of time, it sounds possible. Although Seth has been on it for 5 years so far...it sounds like the adaptation that occurs is just the slowing of the metabolism to match the new, lower weight.

Overall, I would assume that the only true "adaptation" of the body to the diet would have to occur as the gene pool evolves over generations, not within one organisms lifetime. Especially since if the diet theory of SLD is correct, then the genes we have today (and for the rest of our lives) will be expressed in that manner.

-Mark
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Echo on May 15, 2006, 11:45:48 AM
I was dieting before SLD and lost some weight.  Unknowingly, I thought I was losing weight because I was being healthier by eating less meat and cooking with more vegetables.  In actuality, I was simply eating things every day that I had never really had before, with spices that were mostly new too.  I was doing the extra credit, basically.

Then I started SLD.  I've lost another few lbs, probably about 7 give or take.  Except now (and this is where I get back on topic), I've changed my eating habits again.  I've changed them back to eating what I really enjoy.

Sure, I've kept the vegetarian recipes that were great, but now I'm eating ice cream again, dessert at a nice restaurant, and just about anything else I want.  But I'm eating so much less each day that I continue to lose weight.

So have I changed my eating habits?  Yes, I have.  I'm back to truly enjoying what I eat.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: bonnie2315k on May 15, 2006, 04:10:22 PM
Nope. No progress here.

For two weeks I've been consistently doing the following every weekday:

7:30 AM: small portion of fruit, juice, milk or cereal, small portion on getting up.
9:00: Light breakfast as I read my work email.
10:30 2 Tbsp sugar in water
12:00: lunch
3:30: 2 Tbsp sugar in water
7:00: dinner, sometimes Lean Cuisine, sometimes fattening.
Usually not hungry for rest of evening but once or twice have taken sugar water.

Results: NONE!

I am able to use the sugar water as a substitute for the unhealthy snacks I was eating in midmorning and midafternoon. But of course, there is no caloric savings. My appetite at other times of day is unchanged. My weight is unchanged.

Snake oil if you ask me. I was suspicious from the beginning and it looks like I was right to be.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: SFC on May 15, 2006, 04:24:28 PM
Bonnie,

Sorry to hear you haven't had any results.  I have no vested interest in the outcome of the book, and can speak only from my personal experience.  I tried the SLD early on before I had even heard there was going to be a book.  My experience -- and I am by nature very skeptical, and I actually had negative expectations going in -- has been very much as Seth describes his experience and as the many people who have also had a good outcome.  I really do think there is something to this, and ultimately time, the anecdotal experiences of many, and perhaps a clinical trial down the road will be the arbiters.  That said, I think it is quite possible, if not obvious, that different people have different physiologies and, as is often the case in medicine, a drug that works for the majority may not work for the all.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: SFC on May 15, 2006, 04:35:41 PM
Bonnie,

Also, a couple of suggestions from my experience. 

1.  For me, I was doing 500 cal of fructose water early in the going, which is about 11 tablespoons.  Try increasing the dose, and if you don't want to have THAT much sugar, try the oil, but in either case, upping the dose would be worth trying.

2. I found much better results if I did the flavorless calories (oil or sugar water) as the first 500 calories of my day.  In general, once I started eating tasty food, I was more inclined to want more of that throughout the day vs. having all of my flavorless calories up front.  Maybe psychological but that was my experience.

3.  Very late in the game (about 2 weeks ago), I started doing one of the things Seth suggested in the extra credit chapter of the book, which was to vary the flavor of the regular foods I was adding by adding random spices to everything I ate.  Good God (!) did my appetite decrease dramatically.  Whereby I had been having about 750 calories before dinner, and maybe 1,800 for the day (my maintenance calorie level is 2,200 to 2,400 w/o exercise factored in), it dropped to 200 - 300 before dinner and maybe 1,400 to 1,500 for the day.  It was as marked as the initial results I had with just the sugar water.

Finally, Seth noted in that his very small "experiement" with a few other adopters, one took 7 weeks before he saw the effect.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Seth Roberts on May 15, 2006, 06:32:36 PM
Bonnie, what is your height and weight?
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: digbyde on May 16, 2006, 06:40:41 AM
If Bonnie is forty or older, in perimenopause or menopause, there's a good likelihood that hormones are a factor. Her diet is fairly high in carbohydrates, and I had to get more protein and less sugar/starch before my weight would budge.† Other women friends found that after years of being lean, and dropping weight readily, that once they hit that time of fluctuating hormones they had a miserable time with weight gain and loss. (Suzanne Somers deals with this in one of her books, and uses food combining as the main thrust. My neighbor read the Somer's book, got on HRT and dropped thirty pounds.)† The point is the cravings, which are caused by fluctuating hormones, and women have more dancing around than just insulin which is the biggest culprit.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: tekayla on May 16, 2006, 10:45:49 AM
Bonnie

Sorry you are feeling like this, but you should try the oil before you give up on it completely. The sugar water didn't work for me, in fact it made me ravenous. I think some people are more successful on the oil. Your choice but worth a try I think.

Cheers, Kayla
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: carlo on May 16, 2006, 11:56:04 AM
There are so many interesting paradoxes and ironies in this theory.  There must be weight loss studies in which researchers tested some appetite-supressing drug against what they assumed to be an inert placebo---a sugar pill. 
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: bonnie2315k on May 16, 2006, 12:30:15 PM
1. I would love to try the oil but it is just not an option for me, period. I am too sensitive to the texture and it grosses me out. I have to have oil WITH something, like on a salad. I used lots of oils on my skin but I can't eat them straight.

2. I am 39, 5'5" and about 230 pounds, having gone up from about 160 in the past 12 years. Yes, I used to be someone who could go on slim-fast for a month and easiy drop 10 pounds or so, now not only does nothing work, it gets worse without me doing anything.

3. One physical challenges are lifelong exercise-induced asthma which prevents INTENSE cardiovascular exercise, but not walking, bike riding, etc. which I have always done lots of. Basically I can't run more than a few hundred yards, or walk up more than a few flights of stairs.

4. For about 12 years I've had high blood pressure starting at age 27 (when at my lowest weight and it doesn't change with my weight). This is genetic.

5. Hormones: I have been in fertility treatment for several years, including two IVF cycles last spring, which involves major artificial hormones, and the results were a chemical pregnancy and a late-first-trimester miscarriage. Of course this has played havoc with my hormones but I've just completed an intensive "recurrent miscarriage" workup before proceeding with more treatments. I've been checked for many hormonal autoimmune problems including thyroid issues and diabetes, complete lipid profile, and an endometrial biopsy (to test the hormone levels and other things in my uterus in the second half of my menstrual cycle). All normal. I doubt this is relevant but the only thing out of the ordinary was a marker my cardio said was indicative of an inflammatory condition... which there is, a back problem that may have originated in an injury and is threatening to become osteoarthritis.

6. I had the D&C in July and since then my weight has been even more difficult to maintain (and yes I am aware of depression, etc. but that is over... I could tell the difference). A complication is that I had to switch BP meds for the pregnancy and what I was given was not very effective. In the months after the pregnancy we were still keeping that drug but my BP skyrocketed. Now I am taking cardizem and since then have actually gained weight, while increasing my physical activity.

7. My only dietary problem excess eating sweets. My meals are healthy and low glycemic, I find this easy to maintain. The only benefit I see so far with SLD is that I am no longer craving these particular sweets. But of course I am not saving the calories and am not losing weight.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Miller on May 16, 2006, 12:39:48 PM
There are so many interesting paradoxes and ironies in this theory.  There must be weight loss studies in which researchers tested some appetite-supressing drug against what they assumed to be an inert placebo---a sugar pill. 

LOL, I made a similar analogy on my blog this morning.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Seth Roberts on May 16, 2006, 02:02:45 PM
Bonnie,

What about taking the oil with water (and perhaps sugar)? That seems to work for some people. I think some details are in the Straight/No Chaser thread.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: GilbertZ on May 16, 2006, 03:16:29 PM
Snake oil if you ask me. I was suspicious from the beginning and it looks like I was right to be.

Bonnie,

While I'm sorry for the issues you are having, I'd like to point out that your statement was rather rude. You are insulting the author of this site who has been cordial, and you are insulting all the people here who are succeeding, because if it's snake oil, then the testimonials are lies.

That said, I can understand that in your frustration, you might have said some things hopefully you don't mean... If you look at things in a positive light, you might realize that there is actually hope for some good results. After analyzing what you've said, I believe this to be the case for you...

You clearly have lots of things going on. Seth's diet works for people who have a particular type of fat setpoint issue. If your hormones are causing weight gain, the diet may not help you at all. The drugs too can cause you problems. Cardizem causes fluid retention. That means the initial water weight that dieting tends to cause will likely not "show" for you. It may take you 2 months to notice anything working.  Hard to get motivation to keep going when you don't see results. But that will be the same no matter what you try...

After reading your history, the ONLY benefit I would expect you to see is reduced appetite. Which you have indicated has occurred. Therefore this diet IS working for you, you simply haven't taken advantage of it. You would have to work a bit harder than most while you are on the drug, but if you use the reduced appetite to reduce caloric intake, you will lose weight. As the weight comes off, the blood pressure should come down too...so hopefully you can reduce the dose of Cardizem. Which will reduce the fluid retention. Which will make dieting easier. Which will hopefully let you get off Cardizem altogether. Which can help with so many other issues.

But whatever you do, make sure you are keeping your Dr. apprized of what you're doing, because hormones and drug interactions in what you describe are real complicated.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: bonnie2315k on May 17, 2006, 09:26:46 AM
I do not think people are lying, I suspect some kind of placebo effect, or people WANT it to work so they help it along by eating less. I am no ruder than the person who accused Dr. Roberts of running a mass suggestion experiment.

Plus, the diet is billed as easy and simple, etc. but it seems the opposite is the case.

As to your specific points, it is well known that IVF can cause weight gain, much of it is bloating, increasing the size of the ovaries, etc. but my hormones have been normal for many months. For awhile thyroid issues were suspected (strong correlation with hypertension, miscarriage, obesity and other issues) but thorough testing has excluded this.

Losing weight is supposed to lower blood pressure. This is usually a rule of thumb that doesn't always hold true. Note where I say that it developed when I was at my lowest weight. At that time, they suspected birth control pills but stopping them did not help. It has never gone up and down according to my lifestyle changes (which at one time included a 30 pound weight loss), it has stayed to same except rising after my pregnancy as I mentioned. It was the same with my (quite skinny) father, no lifestyle changed ever altered his blood pressure except the right combination of drugs. This is why I am justified in saying it's genetic. My husband also has a supposedly diet-related condition (gout) and he cut out all the forbidden foods for about four months in a very disciplined and determined manner. But only the drugs helped him. Lifestyle changes are worthwhile but lots of people get disappointed, feel like a failure, feel like they are cursed, etc.

I have read that Cardizen retains fluid but this should not affect my appetite. I am not so worried about that because it's only a temporary solution. My previous drug combo was very effective on the blood pressure and seemingly lacked side effects.

And I am not indicating that my appetite has changed. It has not. I am SNACKING on sugar water instead of sweets. I am still consuming calories and I am still experiencing the exact same appetite at mealtimes. Thus, I am not eating less.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: SFC on May 17, 2006, 09:54:44 AM
Bonnie,

I do not think it is placebo for me for two reasons. First, I went into the "experiment" fully NOT expecting it to work because two years ago, I had incorrectly tried it before I fully understood the approach. At that time, I had read a summary of Seth's paper, and (incorrectly) tried sugar water with or near my meals.  I WANTED it to work then, too, but it did not -- at all.  Obviously, no placebo effect and no "wanting" effect in that case.   Secondly, I might buy either of those as potential explanations if the effect had lasted a couple of weeks or maybe a month.  I've been doing this for almost 8 months now.  I have consistently, almost without exception, been able to easily maintain a calorie consumption level of around 1,800/day, whereas my maintenance level is at about 2,200 calories, and before I started the SLD, I was routinely eating between 2,500 and 3,000 per day.  I think the normal setpoint mechanism is so powerful that it is hard to imagine the placebo or the want-to effect having that much of an effect for that long.

Again, I come back to my original comment, that there is almost nothing that works for everyone all the time -- including drugs such as anti-depressants, anti-biotics, etc.  The fact that it IS working for me does not prove that it is a large-scale viable approach (although my guess based on my reading of many others' experiences is that it quite likely is), nor does the fact that it is not working for you mean that it isn't (or that it is snake-oil).
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: jam on May 17, 2006, 09:55:33 AM
I do not think people are lying, I suspect some kind of placebo effect, or people WANT it to work so they help it along by eating less. I am no ruder than the person who accused Dr. Roberts of running a mass suggestion experiment.

I believe the experiment comment was made in jest.

I took no offense in either comment.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: patsi on May 17, 2006, 10:17:49 AM
The† loss of appetite is wonderful so I quit when I am full so yes I have changed my eating habits.
This morning I woke up no appetite I use to be a big breakfast eater†so scrambled a couple of eggs could only eat one so shared them with my dog. "The dog is loving my loss of appetite too." :)
I also am drinking alot more water I use to choke it down now it is my drink of choice.
I think for me snacking was my demon after lunch within 15 minutes I would be hungry again and would eat from that time on until after dinner and I am not temped anymore.
patsi
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: GilbertZ on May 17, 2006, 10:30:22 AM
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Snake oil if you ask me. I was suspicious from the beginning and it looks like I was right to be.

Definition of snake oil from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/snake+oil

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1.  A worthless preparation fraudulently peddled as a cure for many ills.
2. Speech or writing intended to deceive; humbug.

In essence, you're calling Seth a crook/fraud.

I am no ruder than the person who accused Dr. Roberts of running a mass suggestion experiment.

Your defense for being rude is that in your opinion someone else was being as rude.
You were rude. Own it.

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Plus, the diet is billed as easy and simple, etc. but it seems the opposite is the case.

It is easy. Your attitude is the only thing that isn't. At 230 pounds and 5'5", if the taste of the oil is a real obstacle for you, then I think no matter what you do, we will hear complaints from you.

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As to your specific points, it is well known that IVF can cause weight gain, much of it is bloating, increasing the size of the ovaries, etc.

Even more reason why you will have to work harder than most to achieve weight loss.

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Losing weight is supposed to lower blood pressure. This is usually a rule of thumb that doesn't always hold true. Note where I say that it developed when I was at my lowest weight.

Good point.

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Lifestyle changes are worthwhile but lots of people get disappointed, feel like a failure, feel like they are cursed, etc.

I can sense that in you. You'll probably be offended by my post instead of taking it as constructive criticism and a kick in the pants to change your attitude. It's easy to get crabby when your body makes you physically into something you don't mentally associate yourself with. You are not a failure. You are not cursed. You have self-discipline. You are smart. You can kick these problems and you are willing to suffer in order to achieve these gains. There are no obstacles.... If you think like that, and I know YOU CAN, you will get where you want to go. But this "can't" thinking:

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1. I would love to try the oil but it is just not an option for me, period. I am too sensitive to the texture and it grosses me out. I have to have oil WITH something, like on a salad. I used lots of oils on my skin but I can't eat them straight.

WILL NOT HELP YOU.

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I have read that Cardizen retains fluid but this should not affect my appetite. I am not so worried about that because it's only a temporary solution. My previous drug combo was very effective on the blood pressure and seemingly lacked side effects.

And I am not indicating that my appetite has changed. It has not. I am SNACKING on sugar water instead of sweets. I am still consuming calories and I am still experiencing the exact same appetite at mealtimes. Thus, I am not eating less.

Thank you for clarifying the below statement, because it was not clear the first time around:

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The only benefit I see so far with SLD is that I am no longer craving these particular sweets. But of course I am not saving the calories and am not losing weight.

Switch to oil and see if it improves the situation.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Victoria on May 17, 2006, 10:33:43 AM
I have definitely changed my eating habits. †Today a glance at the clock told me it was around lunch time, and I should probably have something to eat. †I looked at everything in the refrigerator but nothing looked good, so I had a glass of water and went about my business. †About 45 minutes later I started thinking about food so I fixed myself a sandwich, and ate about 3/4 of it before I just lost interest and couldn't eat anymore. †I pushed it away and read for awhile, then threw the rest out.

I have never done this in my life. †As a matter of fact on past diets I was so obsessed with thinking about food that I usually ended up overeating and gaining weight! †(Yes, I can gain weight on a diet.)

Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: splitbamboo on May 17, 2006, 10:34:05 AM
so shared them with my dog. "The dog is loving my loss of appetite too." :)

Sounds like you should put the dog on SLD... :P
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Denise on May 17, 2006, 01:05:11 PM
When I hear people saying they can't take the oil, it's too gross, I'm just boggled.  I'd cut off an arm to be thin.  Oil is so not a problem when it brings a loss of appetite this startling.  (I say as I stare in disinterest and my half-eaten sandwich that's going in the fridge to probably rot.)

People are posting methods of how to take it without it being so gross.  I just chug it down, because after the very first day, I finally for once in my life had real hope.  Not the "I've been burned before but I'll try anything" hope.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Victoria on May 17, 2006, 01:15:29 PM
When I hear people saying they can't take the oil, it's too gross, I'm just boggled.† I'd cut off an arm to be thin.† Oil is so not a problem when it brings a loss of appetite this startling.† (I say as I stare in disinterest and my half-eaten sandwich that's going in the fridge to probably rot.)

My thoughts exactly!† I know this diet will eventually become routine, but right now I can't get over it.† I feel like I've found a miracle pill with no side effects that has made me the normal eater I've always longed to be.† When you think of the lengths people have gone to to be thinner - surgery, jaw-wiring, drugs - swallowing a little oil doesn't seem all that bad.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Denise on May 17, 2006, 01:28:33 PM
[When you think of the lengths people have gone to to be thinner - surgery, jaw-wiring, drugs - swallowing a little oil doesn't seem all that bad.
That should be the new book slogan!  heh
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: GilbertZ on May 17, 2006, 02:11:38 PM
Ditto ditto ditto on the last 3 posts. But no ditto foods :)
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: DirkVA on May 17, 2006, 06:29:58 PM
Bonnie:

Let's see you are "39, 5'5" and about 230 pounds," and you have other life-threathening health issues. And yet you balk at swallowing a little oil and you attack the integrity of the scientist and his fellow-subjects in this plan.

Do you really want to lose weight? I don't mean to be rude, but are you simply happier to stay as you are?
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: carlo on May 17, 2006, 08:36:25 PM
Bonnie,

Dr. Roberts has indicated that the diet doesn't work for everyone, so if it doesn't work for you that's just how it is, you're in the unlucky minority.  But what if you're one of those people for whom it kicks in later, like in a week from now?  In that case it would be a shame to give up.

Just a thought!

carlo
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: KiwiRed on May 18, 2006, 06:52:51 AM
I'd suggest that some people have sensory sensitivities to certain food flavours or textures that making those foods impossible to consume (oil, in this case). †This observation comes from conversations with fellow autistics who often have sensitivities of this nature (I'm autistic myself).

Personally, while it's been less than a week, I've been finding I've been going from one small meal and one large meal (which often extended to two large servings) each day to usually having one or two small meals with no interest in a second serving at dinnertime (which is quite a change for me). †My soft drink consumption seems to have halved, with a large mug of water becoming more appealing for some reason.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: porkypine on May 18, 2006, 08:17:44 AM
Bonnie,

I assume you read the book or paper, so you know that the oil or sugar water is only one component of a three-proned approach based on experiments with lab rats and humans. The other two pieces are "Eat new foods" and "Vary the flavor of foods eaten repeatedly." Several people have mentioned success with the crazy spicing method - have you tried that (flavor)? Also, it seems like your meals are not new foods to you, and are somewhat repetitive. Repetition is a problem that contributes to fat. Repetition occurs not just from the meal but form eating pre-packaged foods like Lean Cuisine (see his section on supermarket foods) which are designed by food companies to be identical.

I suggest you re-read the book or paper more closely and see if you can incorporate other elements of the theory for better reults.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Weston on May 18, 2006, 03:57:13 PM
Well I'm reading this thread right after weighing myself and discovering that after 15 days I have dropped 8 pounds. Five of those pounds were in the last seven days when I have really felt the appetite suppresion kick in.

So I get off the scale and read this thread and all I can think of is a taped lecture given by a very well known small business consultant and author that I listened to many years ago.

In this lecture (he also mentions it in his book) he talks about how he had consulted with a retail store several years before. The salespeople in that store (like most retail salespeople) would approach browsers and say " Can I help you?" The consultant's sole change  in that store was to insist  that the salespeople approach browsers with a new question "Have you been here before?"

As a result of that one small change in question the store's sales and profits skyrocketed to an enormous degree.

After telling this story the speaker  said to the audience "Do you know why this worked?" he paused and then shouted "Who the hell cares. It worked!"

My point being. I don't know if the scientific explanation for this diet is sound. I don't know if it worked because of  a placebo effect or  a grand diabolical  experiment by some sort of pyschological mastermind. For me at least it works!

Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Petra on May 18, 2006, 04:08:28 PM
<i>Let's see you are "39, 5'5" and about 230 pounds," and you have other life-threathening health issues. And yet you balk at swallowing a little oil and you attack the integrity of the scientist and his fellow-subjects in this plan.

Do you really want to lose weight? I don't mean to be rude, but are you simply happier to stay as you are?</i>

This is why people like the OP maybe so rude, suspicious, defensive, or all. The preceding is a judgmental statement based on assumptions that have no business making and this fat people get all through the day. You see fat and you judge. First is the idea that beczuse YOU can drink the oil then no reason why person B can't. You then decide person B has a bad attitude or a deep phychological problem. I am fat too and sick sick SICK of this. I cant swallow whipped cream and things like that texture. It just wont go down. If seth next discovers whipped cream as a weighloss tool will you ask me if I really wanted to be thin so why don't i change? Then a tone suggestive that the numbers of bonnies weight (which was brave of her to give) entitle you to make certain conclusions. Unlike performing cheap analysis on the OP why not suggest gelcaps with oil or something? I think sometimes theres a mentality of achieveing thinness and deserving it so you have to suffer. Not because maybe it TAKES suffering but so that you EARN it. You like OWE the suffering on behalf of the guys who can't lose the weight.

The idea that SLD is stuff maybe untrue but hardly is this a strange reaction when u hear what it is. It's natural given all we "know" about weight. And all the people on the forum are not proof that it works. It is unscientific, a skewed pool. After the poster got flamed I doubt anyone will ever bother to post that it failed for them.

Can I talk about this blaming the victim. I had Nutrisystem for two months. I tortured myself with the boring food, constantly having to resist what I wanted and had the habit of, constant all day control. Their web-page keeps what you eat and exercise. I only lost 2 pound. Thats a pound a month. I kept the rules. But when I complained I was just called lying. (Lying to MYSELF). Because it HAS to work. If it didn't work that can't be proof that it didn't work, it's proof that I didn't do it right. So the logic is it can never be proved not to work even if it doesn.t No, it is the fat persons fault because of their DEEP PROBLEMS.

[Now I bet it didn't work because repetition but on the other hand I KNOW I limited the calories so why didn't I lose weight as I was struggling miserably but successfully for the 2 months? It didn't last but two months verylow calories should have done more than it did. It makes sense so I must be eating Sachertorte behind the diets back.]

I bet the poster bonnie you all hate had something like this. She says she had snacks but nothing else bad. Has asthma but can exercise if not to heavy like running. Why will she tell you her big weight for everyone to comment on but lie on her eating?


Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Denise on May 18, 2006, 09:37:32 PM
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First is the idea that beczuse YOU can drink the oil then no reason why person B can't.

There are many posts of trying to find out a way for people to do this.  Instead of joining in and brainstorming she chose to call it snake oil and quit.  I'm not going to judge her anymore, but I hope no one else does what she did.  I hope that we all work together to figure out how to make it work for everyone.  It takes self-experimentation--which is how this very strange but useful idea was born.  In the spirit of self-experimentation, I hope people for whom it doesn't work immediately stick with us and try to tweak and then be of help to people after them.  Like Dee has said she will do.  (Thanks Dee!)  Because I want everyone to feel this feeling of freedom.  This feeling of Shangri-La.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: tekayla on May 18, 2006, 09:57:27 PM
 I agree wholeheartedly Denise, we all need to stick together!! This feeling of freedom and control is new to a lot of us and while I wish everyone could experience it for themselves it doesn't seem to be so. Maybe if we all work together we can figure out how to tweak things as you say, so it works for more people. This forum is wonderful and supportive I truly feel for the people that are struggling but I believe "You don't fail until you stop trying" This is for all the Bonnie's out there.

Cheers,Kayla
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: CVgirl on May 19, 2006, 08:29:59 AM
When I hear people saying they can't take the oil, it's too gross, I'm just boggled.† I'd cut off an arm to be thin.† Oil is so not a problem when it brings a loss of appetite this startling.† (I say as I stare in disinterest and my half-eaten sandwich that's going in the fridge to probably rot.)

People are posting methods of how to take it without it being so gross.† I just chug it down, because after the very first day, I finally for once in my life had real hope.† Not the "I've been burned before but I'll try anything" hope.

To play Devils' advocate so bear with me a minute I'm not really saying the following: If you would cut off an arm to be thin, then why aren't you thin already? If you were that determined and really wanted it, why weren't the previous available measure enough for you? Couldn't you simply cut your calories? Sure, the set point would have kicked in and made you very hungry and miserable, but if you wanted it that bad, why not just ignore the hunger?

Of course the answer is that, for whatever reason, you either didn't or simply couldn't. So if someone says they can't drink oil why not believe them? For you it apparently seemed promising after day one and that made it bearable. Bonnie obviously did not experience that so why do you compare yourself with her.

That analysis I just did is 100% as valid as the analysis on Bonnie that was done by you and that other person (who says she must not really want to be thin. Petra was a little incoherent (maybe a language barrier or writing to fast and angry) but she is right about the judgement and circular logic.

Every person on this board is probably trying to lose weight and yet, and yet... some fall in the common societal pattern of judgement.

I would be much happier hearing "sorry it doesn't work for everyone" rather than dissecting Bonnie's personal failings and attitude to find something to blame. But of course, her failure must be her own fault, because it the plan works inconsistently then that takes away the hope for some.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: mjohnson121 on May 19, 2006, 08:37:05 AM
Good point CVGirl. I think there was certainly an over-reaction to Bonnie's comments. However, I must point out that she raised the ire of many by calling the the diet "snake oil." (maybe she meant it as a humorous pun?? :)

Just as you say some should have said "it's ok, the diet doesn't work for everyone," (which I agree with) Bonnie should have had the good graces to say the same, "I guess it doesn't work for me." And leave it at that.

-Mark
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: GilbertZ on May 19, 2006, 08:45:32 AM
I just wanted to say Welcome to our new guests CVGirl and Petra.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: DirkVA on May 19, 2006, 09:12:15 AM
CVgirl: I'm afraid I have to disagree with your "analysis."

The reason she hadn't lost weight before despite being willing to "cut off an arm" was because of her set point. The set point is imperious and controls one's weight. It is not just a bad attitude.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Denise on May 19, 2006, 10:23:48 AM
Jenny Craig.  Weight Watchers.  NutriSystem.  Cabbage soup.  Low carb (that one did work great till it didn't).

I tried all of them far longer than a week or two, and each time I gained over what I had lost.  I kept upping my set point I guess.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: renee on May 19, 2006, 11:21:41 AM
i just came across this site.  I am very excited to try this.  I really need to know what kind of oil do I need to buy exactly.  I have read different things, but I want to be sure.  Could someone help me please :?:
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: CVgirl on May 19, 2006, 04:37:00 PM
CVgirl: I'm afraid I have to disagree with your "analysis."

The reason she hadn't lost weight before despite being willing to "cut off an arm" was because of her set point. The set point is imperious and controls one's weight. It is not just a bad attitude.

You and I agree. I was playing Devil's advocate. People conclude certain things about an obesity suffer's character because nobody believes in the set point. How many doctors have discourage thyroid testing because it's just the person looking for absolution? I paid for my own. But having experienced the set point herself and probably that judgement from others  ("I would cut off my arm to be thin") the two writers went ahead and made a similar judgement about the snake oil commenter especially after she made highly detailed, highly personal revelations. She should just chug the oil if she wants it bad enough. Wanting it bad enough is proven not to work. I'm not trying to really criticize but we are creatures of habits.

(BTW pet peeve: the idea that nice plus size clothing is bad because it de-stigmatizes obesity? But I digress.)

Not being critical of you but it sometimes is hard to see attidude, irony, etc. in email.

I think it was not the point of her email but Petra's report on Nutrasystem (which is a packaged foods plan) is supportive of Seth's theory. Each serving of lasagna or whatever is probably exactly the same.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: GilbertZ on May 19, 2006, 05:28:50 PM
Petra, CVGirl,

Thank you for clarifying each other and Bonnie's position. Is Petra still here?

Do either of you think coming to someone's forum and calling him a snake oil salesman is rude?

Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Denise on May 19, 2006, 07:21:49 PM
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She should just chug the oil if she wants it bad enough.

Nope, she should try asking for suggestions of how to get it down.  Someone has been posting about capsules.  There's a long thread on how to take it painlessly.  It's not that she should chug it.  She should ask for help instead of immediately condemning it as snake oil.  And she should never, ever audition for Fear Factor or Survivor.   :lol:
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: patsi on May 20, 2006, 11:04:02 AM
Renee,
Welcome I didn't see any responce to your message so if there was sorry. I use Bertolli Extra Light Olive Oil and you can use Canola Oil. I take 1 TBS. one hour after breakfast and 1 TBS. mid afternoon. hope this helps.
patsi
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: CVgirl on May 22, 2006, 09:39:46 AM
I would also not be a phenomenally great survivor contestant. The gross food challenge would knock me out on day one. And I don't drink oil, I am springing for the capsules, a mixture of flax, borage, and fish oil which is very food for you. Mixed with sugar (not at the same time) Yeah, expensive given that ALDI sells canola oil for pennies and ounce. But doesn't gross me out.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Denise on May 22, 2006, 10:58:33 AM
Yeah, expensive given that ALDI sells canola oil for pennies and ounce.

If it works for you, I promise you'll make it up in savings from grocery shopping.  Seriously.   :D
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: renee on May 23, 2006, 05:34:58 AM
Thank You Patsi.............I also need to know if I wait one hour prior & one hour after I take the oil to eat or drink anything?
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Victoria on May 23, 2006, 05:51:39 AM
I also need to know if I wait one hour prior & one hour after I take the oil to eat or drink anything?

Yes, that's very important, and you have it exactly right - one hour before and one hour after with no taste at all.  That means no sugarless gum, no diet soda, not even brushing your teeth. 

Good luck!
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: renee on May 23, 2006, 05:59:52 AM
Thank you Victoria..............you guys have been really helpful! :D
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Victoria on May 23, 2006, 06:24:02 AM
You're welcome.† I also wanted to add that it's at least one hour.† Don't think you must eat exactly an hour after taking the oil, lol.† In the afternoon, for example, I take the oil between 2 and 3, but don't eat dinner until 6.† It's not an effort to wait, either, because you really won't be hungry anyway.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Lumberjack on May 23, 2006, 11:31:23 AM
Mine have changed, but in a manner different than what I thought would happen.
I still get hungry at different intervals and have b'fast, lunch and dinner at more or less constant intervals.† Much in the same manner as before SLD.† Since starting SLD,† I have noticed 2 significant changes.

1) What I find has disappeared is the feeling of "insatiability" that wouldn't go away until my stomach was stretched.† I'd almost describe it as a need to hoard or have "more" just because it was there.
For example, during lunch, someone brought in a treat to share.† I took a portion and ate it.† Normally, I'd find an excuse to treat myself to as many portions as possible. Today, even though the treat sits out and I've passed it multiple times since lunch, I have no desire to take more.† Not even to quickly swipe a bite.

2)I have found my choices drifting to healthier options.† Desiring a turkey sandwich instead of a richer (fattier) treat.† Snacking on carrots.

More imprtantly, I've found the set point is dropping fast.† I've always eaten in a healthy fashion (outside of the above mentioned binge eating) but it's as though my body now has permission to shed the pounds that healthy eating should have encouraged.† After a week, I'm down about 8 lbs.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: GilbertZ on May 30, 2006, 09:18:22 AM
CVGirl, Bonnie and Petra,

Looking at your email addresses next to your posts I just noticed a lovely coincidence.

Bonnie's name is Bonnie Gibson and CVGirl's email address is bgibson@cars.com. And Bonnie and CVGirl have other email addresses that use sitespindle.com. Gosh if I was cynical I'd think that not only do you share the same email domains, have similar names and opinions, but perhaps are the same person trying to bolster your arguments since they don't stand so well on their own. Well, if that were the case I'd even dare to ask you who is the one selling snake oil?

But since it's probably just a huge coincidence, I suppose we should all give Bonnie a big break.
Title: Bonnie, are you still out there?
Post by: American-Woman on June 20, 2006, 08:04:21 PM
Bonnie, I haven't seen a post from you in a while and wonder are you still out there just quietly reading the posts or have you gone away for good?

I agree w/ you that different people react differently to medicines, e.g., BP meds.  My brother-in-law was like you, slender, yet unable to keep his BP down w/out the proper meds.  He finally got the correct dosage to work for him.

As for not being able to swallow the oil, (no lecture here so please read on), at one time in my life I thought I couldn't swallow Alka Seltzer or Pepto Bismol.  I gagged.  However, when I got sick enough, I discovered I could chug them down w/ no gag reflex.  Not so w/ cottage cheese.  Unless it's mixed w/ something else (maybe some pasta and tomato sauce!!!) I'm going to gag.  My point is that the mind is not always able to conquer that gag reflex.

Now, as for the oil pills, you might try those.  Jorge Cruise wrote about flax pills in '8 minutes in the morning'.  This is just another form of oil, so you might try those or maybe fish oil pills, or some other form of oil pills.  In other words, don't give up yet.

You say you've been doing SLD for 2 weeks w/ no success.  Some people on this site have been trying it for several weeks longer than that.  Maybe you need to hang in there a little longer or perhaps change what you're doing, e.g., the time you're drinking the SW or the amount.  The people here are terribly supportive and want to help each other, so I'm sure you'll be given new ideas and suggestions.

Lastly, there's probably no such thing as a quick fix.  Not all of us are like RickM (sadly!!!) and can lose 18 pounds over 5 weeks (or there abouts).  As Oprah Winfrey said (and I'm paraphrasing here) ''if there was a quick fix, I'd have found it or bought it!"

Hang tough w/ the rest of us.  Keep trying.
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: bigbaddar on June 21, 2006, 04:58:51 AM
My biggest change????  Not drinking Pepsi.....I'm addicted to the stuff...or is that "was" addicted to the stuff.  I find I can't take more than a SIP or two. If tastes thick and yucky. I'm reaching for ice water, limeade, juices.  OH-H-H.. my coffee intake has changed.  The flavor is more intense.  I'm drinking it black with one sugar now....AND....I'm only having 1 cup in the morning.....
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: buffy on February 28, 2007, 03:39:09 PM
I have been taking the ELOO 3 times a day for a couple days now, and I sure can tell a difference already~! I can go for hours with not wanting to eat~! I look through the cupboards, and think... hmmmmm now what do I feel like nibbling on.... and then I realize that I am not hungry~! It does take a bit of planning and figuring it out... when to take the oil, when to eat, if you feel like eating at that time... now I find that I am eating not becuase I am hungry - but because I need energy for my workouts~! Woohoo~!!!† :P
Title: Re: Have you changed your eating habits?
Post by: Judy94121 on March 01, 2007, 05:23:14 PM
I would also not be a phenomenally great survivor contestant. The gross food challenge would knock me out on day one. And I don't drink oil, I am springing for the capsules, a mixture of flax, borage, and fish oil which is very food for you. Mixed with sugar (not at the same time) Yeah, expensive given that ALDI sells canola oil for pennies and ounce. But doesn't gross me out.

I'm with CVgirl on this one and I have not even tried to chug the oil.  I would never make it for even five minutes on something like Survivor - I can't even watch shows like that because the food challenges make me physically ill just to think about, much less sit there and watch in detail.

When I read the book I immediately thought about flax oil caps and then came in here to find out more info on how many to take, etc.

So the way I am going to try this is to do the capsules at night and fructose water in the morning, which is what I did today.  Heating the water like tea made it easy to sip for half an hour and the fructose dissolved completely and the more I sipped the less it even tasted sweet to me, so I think that was a good sign.

Anyway, I don't see why anyone would go on the attack at someone just because they can't stand to drink oil, even mixed with water or whatever.  Better to suggest the capsules.  No need to judge people as "not really wanting to lose weight" and so on.

 I figure most people here have tried all kinds of things, some of us for many many years, and we are here because we DO want to lose weight and we need all the help we can get to find a healthy way to do it that doesn't just make us obsess about food 24/7 and be hungry all the time.

Just my nickel of course and I am new at this experiment, so only time will tell.